Discussion in 'Vancouver Canucks' started by Zombotron, Jan 23, 2019.
sorry that quote was for the Edler thread. my apologizes
If Benning does trade his first rounder, it would have to be lottery protected for this season, with the option of swapping it for a 2020 first round pick. Going into the draft in Vancouver without a first-rounder would be political suicide for a so called rebuilding team.
Of course was we've seen with the Sens this season, it can back-fire big-time if your team were to slide backwards in 2020.
Says will not be trading 2019 picks..did not say anything about 2020 picks.
If they sign Edler.i hope they start moving other pieces but I doubt it..Sutters and Granlunds,ect...but I am starting to not care any more.Let Benning hang himself.like chirelli did...
Sutter seems like an obvious player to move as soon as there is a buyer. We simply don't need him with Gaudette and Beagle and, for now, Gaunce in the minors.
What do people think about moving up to pick Boldy if he's still around at 10 or so? Lw, would probably be a good fit with horvat and could stack a line with him and Petterson and boeser if we are down late in games. Also get him into the Lw spot on the pp
Also, Boldy or Zegras?
Zegras. I have a few concerns about Boldy's hockey IQ. Zegras is the type of player that knows what he's going to do with the puck before he recieves it.
In case anyone is interested the free USHL game on hockey tv tomorrow night is featuring Shane Pinto, #53 on McKenzie's midseason list. He's a RW scorer playing USHL in his draft year and committed to North Dakota next season. Sound familiar?
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#49 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#62 Bob McKenzie
#63 Future Considerations Chicago Travis Treloar C 1P in 4GP / Playoffs 0P in 2GP26P in 36GP 2001/05/12Western Michigan Des Moines
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DECOMMITTED#46 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#63 Bob McKenzie Green Bay Ethan Frisch D 6P in 14GP / Playoffs 0P in 2GP13P in 33GP 2000/10/29 University of North Dakota#109 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Green Bay Chris GirodayD 49P in 48GP / Playoffs 11P in 16GP (OJHL)14P in 32GP 2000/12/13 Western Michigan#136 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Green Bay Nicholas Zabaneh F 34P in 44GP / Playoffs 1P in 4GP (OJHL)14P in 33GP 2001/03/27 University of MichiganGreen BayNick KentD0P in 24GP / Playoffs 0P in 16GP (BCHL) 15P in 30GP (OJHL) / 0P in 11GP (USHL)2001/01/01Quinnipiac Muskegon Yegor Afanasyev F 14P in 45GP / Playoffs 2P in 3GP42P in 36GP 2001/01/23 Michigan State#19 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#42 Bob McKenzie
#53 Future Considerations Omaha Brian Silver D 1P in 10GP 2000/11/06 Michigan State Miami University (2020)Tri-CityShane PintoF34P in 33GP (with two teams) 2000/11/12 University of North Dakota#35 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#53 Bob McKenzie
#59 Future ConsiderationsYoungstownJack MaloneF 14P in 52GP / Playoffs 2P in 8GP35P in 33GP 2000/10/13 Cornell#92 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Sioux FallsAnthony Romano RW 44P in 40GP / Playoffs 10P in 9GP (OJHL)28P in 36GP 2000/10/27 Clarkson#76 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
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#16 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#20 Bob McKenzie VictoriaAlex Campbell C57P in 43GP 2001/02/27Clarkson#42 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#100 Future Considerations ChilliwackHarrison Blaisdell F 21P in 49GP / Playoffs 2P in 7GP52P in 43GP 2001/03/18 University of North Dakota (2020)#52 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#79 Future ConsiderationsPenticton Massimo Rizzo F39P in 50G / Playoffs 10P in 11GP29P in 27GP 2001/06/13 University of North Dakota#57 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
#68 Future Considerations
#78 Bob McKenzie Langley Ethan Leyh F 31P in 53G / Playoffs 7P in 6GP38P in 41GP 2001/06/07 University of Wisconsin Quinnipiac#161 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Vernon
---> Kelowna Rockets Alex Swetlikoff F 15P in 51G / Playoffs 4P in 10GP 18P in 25GP 2001/07/06 University of Denver#217 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Prince George Layton Ahac D 28P in 57GP / Playoffs 5P in 24GP21P in 42GP 2001/02/22 Ohio State#94 Future Considerations
#114 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Alberni Keaton Mastrodonato C 42P in 58GP / Playoffs 2P in 7GP41P in 50GP 2000/09/24 Canisius
TeamPlayerPosition Points in D-1Points on Feb. 1st / 19 DOBCommitmentRankingBrooksLuke BastD 31P in 57GP / Playoffs 13P in 15GP30P in 34GP 2000/11/20 University of North Dakota #158 Central Scouting (NA Skaters) Grande Prairie Zachary Okabe F 57P in 58GP / Playoffs 5P in 9GP46P in 48GP 2001/01/04 University of Vermont St. Cloud State#201 Central Scouting (NA Skaters)
What are your concerns with Boldy's IQ?
Further, what do you think of Zegras without the puck and in board battles?
Just how quickly he processes the play. He has relatively good decision making but he doesn't push the pace of play unless he's rushing the puck down the wing. I would like to see him think the game a little quicker, pass guys open more, and add a little East/West into his attacks. He doesn't get tunnel vision like Virtanen is accused of but if he plays the way he does now in the pros he won't see passes quick enough to properly attack off the rush or thread holes through a defensive shell.
Zegras is definitely a perimeter player, but he's a smart perimeter player. His defensive stickwork is pretty good. He's a non factor physically at this point. He reminds me of poor man's Mitch Marner. He's the type of player we were begging for to put on Kesler's wing 7 years ago.
Moritz Seider is someone who I think should be given a good long look if the Canucks are drafting outside the top 10
With Zegras I don't love his skill level. He's a brilliant playmaker, definitely, but if you're going to be small and weak you better be really skilled and/or a great shooter and he hasn't shown that he's either. Him and Boldy remind me a bit of Tommy Novak and Brock Boeser at Waterloo back in the day.
I'm getting more and more concerned that if the Nucks keep losing and end up with a Top 5 pick (but not #1), that Benning will do everything in his power to trade up to the #1 slot to select Hughes.
This is because:
1. To pair Jack and Quinn together as the new "Sedins"
2. Draft is in Vancouver and they will want to make a splash
I can just see a complete over payment to move up. God forbid we land at #2 and should draft Kakko anyway.
Dach seems to be heating up again after a stretch of unproductive games possibly due to an injury.
Hoping he makes a Vilardi-type slide. Still would probably put him ahead of Cozens.
The one thing that scares me about him is he almost invites the other team to hit him. He gets hit a lot and doesn't shy away from it, not sure how he responds when that contact comes from a 27 year old who is his size vs an 17/18 year old no where near his size.
Case in point the Woo hit last night and it was very close to being bang bang non-penalty. His vision for passing is great but awareness of coming contact is suspect IMO.
Looks like we will be drafting 8-14 probably unless we pull off the usual Canuck slide
What do people think of Cam York?
His ntc drops to Mntc of 15 team trade list come July. So, don’t have to wait.
But a tdl move would require his consent.
Our schedule is brutal. Average strength of schedule but we have like 5 games where we are coming off back to backs and the other team is not. None the other way around. All the teams we are battling with have far easier schedules. St Louis is in great shape. I expect we'll finish 3rd last in the west which should land us in the 7th seed.
Keith Yandle type playing style has been tossed out a lot, and that's something I can agree with. Maybe not to the extent of Keith Yandle where he puts up 40+ points for his entire career, but maybe say 25-30+
Unless teams like the blues unload JBo, Min moves staal, they should be able to be ahead of Vancouver.
At Xmas didn’t think Bowen byrum would have been an option but it’s just a couple of points that separates 7-12 in draft position.
Which players are the most purely skilled players in the draft?
Here is what I have:
- N. Robertson
I’ll add to this with Bobby Brink and Simon Holmstrom. Injuries have restricted both this year, but the skill levels are very high.
Here’s my first round from my recent rankings. I have come around on Krebs recently in recent viewings. I still don’t see the top end skill, but he seems to be more of a surefire too six forward than I thought previously. Dorofeyev is going to end up ala Kravtsov and is just playing very well right now. Debated a giant jump for Nick Robertson, but for now he stays in the 20’s. If he can continue his run of form for the next while, he’s going in my lottery selections. He’s driving the offense of the Petes. I have a full 275 so if anyone has any questions, don’t hesitate.
1. RW/C Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga
2. C Jack Hughes - U18’s, USNTDP
3. LD Bowen Byram - Vancouver Giants, WHL
4. RW Vasili Podkolzin - SKA St. Petersburg, MHL
5. C Alex Turcotte - U18’s, USNTDP
6. C/RW Peyton Krebs - Kootenay Ice, WHL
7. C Kirby Dach - Saskatoon Blades, WHL
8. C/RW Dylan Cozens - Lethbridge Hurricanes, WHL
9. C Trevor Zegras - U18’s, USNTDP
10. C Connor McMichael - London Knights, OHL
11. LW/C Matthew Boldy - U18’s USNTDP
12. LW/RW Pavel Dorofeyev - Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk, KHL
13. RD Moritz Seider - Adler Mannheim, DEL
14. RD Victor Soderstrom - Brynas IF, SHL
15. C/RW Brett Leason - Prince Albert Raiders, WHL
16. LW/C Alex Newhook - Victoria Grizzlies, BCHL
17. LW Jakob Pelletier - Moncton Wildcats, QMJHL
18. LW Arthur Kaliyev - Hamilton Bulldogs, OHL
19. LD Cam York - U18’s, USNTDP
20. LD Thomas Harley - Mississauga Steelheads, OHL
21. C Ryan Suzuki - Barrie Colts, OHL
22. C/RW Raphael Lavoie - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL
23. LW/C Nicholas Robertson - Peterborough Petes, OHL
24. LD Philip Broberg - AIK, Allsvenskan
25. LD Matthew Robertson - Edmonton Oil Kings, WHL
26. LD Mikko Kokkonen - Jukurit, Liiga
27. RW Bobby Brink - Sioux City Musketeers, USHL
28. LW Nils Hoglander - Rogle BK, SHL
29. LW Yegor Afanasyev - Muskegon Lumberjacks, USHL
30. C Philip Tomasino - Niagara IceDogs, OHL
31. LD Ville Heinola - Lukko, Liiga
Separate names with a comma.