Post-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Awards

[Emerz]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

That's just ridiculous.

The simple fact is that Bergeron was voted as the midseason winner by the same damn people who voted at the end of the season while having a better midseason to end of season then any single player on that entire list.

Dumb

 

[Budddy]

That's just ridiculous.

The simple fact is that Bergeron was voted as the midseason winner by the same damn people who voted at the end of the season while having a better midseason to end of season then any single player on that entire list.

Dumb

thats what i cant figure out...how the f*** does he go first to third?? mind boggling

 

[Gee Wally]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

Fluto is dead to me.

 

[Flannelman]

Fluto is dead to me.

Has he ever been alive?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

While I don't think it's the be-all, end-all, Bergeron has played 64 and 65 the past two seasons. And the winner has played 81 (Kopitar) and 82 (O'Reilly). If Bergeron plays 80+ in either of those year's he wins at least one out of two. Maybe both.

It may not matter to me or you, but the games played matters to some voters.

Yes, games played is a big factor in any award voting.

But there are historical comparables.

Bob Gainey won 2 Selkes in seasons he played 64 & 66 games. Kris Draper won one in a season he played 67 games.

 

[Aeroforce]

I cancelled The Hockey News years ago, and Ken Campbell was part of the reason why.

That being said, even though the voting takes place before the playoffs, my unpopular opinion is O'Reilly was better when it mattered most, which was also head-to-head with Bergeron. The Blues were better 5 X 5.

I'm just sad Bergy had to fly all the way out there just to come up short yet again.

 

[TCB]

Fluto is dead to me.

Dave Poulin, That's Odd. I've heard Poulin say in the very recent past, that he thought Patrice Bergeron was the best all around player in the game but yeah screw Fluto I mean what the hell, has he been watching. The Jacobs should ban him form ever entering TD Garden again

 

[BruinDust]

Yes, games played is a big factor in any award voting.

But there are historical comparables.

Bob Gainey won 2 Selkes in seasons he played 64 & 66 games. Kris Draper won one in a season he played 67 games.

Also depends on what was their competition for the award in those years.

It's not the be-all end-all, but games played matters to some voters. Especially when you get south of 70 games. Voters see that "6" as the first digit and for some it hurts their support of Bergeron for the award.

 

[Spooner st]

Dave Poulin, That's Odd. I've heard Poulin say in the very recent past, that he thought Patrice Bergeron was the best all around player in the game but yeah screw Fluto I mean what the hell, has he been watching. The Jacobs should ban him form ever entering TD Garden again

Only possible explanation is, Fluto's been trying food cooked with cannabis infused oil.