Post-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Awards

[Spooner st]

Wonder how many people left Bergeron off completely

47. That's the number of total votes O'Reilly has more than Bergeron.

 

[Trap Jesus]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

 

[Trap Jesus]

47. That's the number of total votes O'Reilly has more than Bergeron.

23 of the 171 left him off, I've broken those down above.

 

[Chief Nine]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

The so-called Hockey News (especially Ken Campbell) and Fluto can go pound sand

 

[Trap Jesus]

The so-called Hockey News (especially Ken Campbell) and Fluto can go pound sand

This ballot could not have been more obvious:

Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas

Crosby 1st, leaves both Bergeron and O'Reilly off, only person out of 171 voters to vote for Teravainen, 1 of 4 people to vote for Cizikas, works for Pittsburgh media.

 

[Spooner st]

The so-called Hockey News (especially Ken Campbell) and Fluto can go pound sand

Wow... unbelievable from Fluto, what the hell was he watching? Besides food.

 

[Spooner st]

The unloved Boston Bruins.

 

[Chief Nine]

Wow... unbelievable from Fluto, what the hell was he watching? Besides food.

I believe you answered that question

 

[Spooner st]

I believe you answered that question

You know, it brings a different perspective on how Fluto sees the game... I mean...WTF.

 

[Alicat]

23 of the 171 left him off, I've broken those down above.

To leave him off and put guys like Cizikas, Aho, and Cirelli on ballots is mind boggling.

Fluto needs to explain himself IMO.

 

[Chief Nine]

You know, it brings a different perspective on how Fluto sees the game... I mean...WTF.

I absolutely get that these writers have to be objective and that we're not as fans. But my God, how can a so-called professional writer who's main sport he covers is hockey and who covers the Boston Bruins leave Patrice Bergeron off their Selke ballot?

Insane

 

[Alicat]

Wow... unbelievable from Fluto, what the hell was he watching? Besides food.

Kicker is that he has a piece out about moving on from Krejci and Bergeron.

He seriously needs to stick to food.

 

[Spooner st]

From Fluto.

10. Elias Lindholm CGY 56 ( 0-4-4-1-5)
11. Anthony Cirelli TBL 30 ( 1-1-1-2-2)
12. Sebastian Aho CAR 25 ( 0-0-1-4-8)

Mind boggling.

 

[Bruinaura]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

 

[Bruinaura]

I absolutely get that these writers have to be objective and that we're not as fans. But my God, how can a so-called professional writer who's main sport he covers is hockey and who covers the Boston Bruins leave Patrice Bergeron off their Selke ballot?

Insane

I hope the Bruins revoke his access to the team

 

[Bruinaura]

To leave him off and put guys like Cizikas, Aho, and Cirelli on ballots is mind boggling.

Fluto needs to explain himself IMO.

I would love to hear explanations on several of these. I mean really, what criteria did they use?

 

[Trap Jesus]

Fluto had Bergeron 5th last year.

 

[Bruinaura]

Fluto had Bergeron 5th last year.

I think we should rank a few sportswriters.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Fluto sucks and always will suck. That schmuck uses a career covering hockey to get to his true love of being a "food critic".

Ken Campbell is an absolute schmuck. He's a whiny little bitch who hates fighting/physicality in hockey.

 

[Bruinaura]

Interesting... Not too many guys in Bergeron's neighborhood over the entire history of the Selke. Ten straight years in the top five. In fact I think he's the only one in that neighborhood.

 

[Estlin]

 

[Bruinaura]

You could always ignore the thread....

 

[Spooner st]

We do obviously since we're talking about it.

 

[Alicat]

Fine, how about we discuss that once again, there needs to be an award for most offensive defenseman and then the Norris.

 

[Budddy]

People that left Bergeron off their ballot:

Ken Campbell, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Barkov, Crosby, Stone, Point
Joshua Clipperton, The Canadian Press: Barkov, Crosby, Backlund, Couturier, Stone
Luke DeCock, Raleigh News & Observer: O'Reilly, Stone, J. Staal, Crosby, Danault
Jim Diamond, The Associated Press: Stone, Barkov, Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho
Ryan Dixon, Sportsnet: Stone, Barkov, O'Reilly, Couturier, Crosby
Jimmy Greenfield, The Chicago Tribune: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Brian Hedger, The Columbus Dispatch: Barkov, Stone, O'Reilly, Toews, Larkin
Jason Kay, The Hockey News: O'Reilly, Crosby, Lindholm, Aho, Stone
Matt Larkin, The Hockey News: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Couturier
Dejan Kovacevic, DKonPittsburghSports.com: Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Teravainen, Cizikas
Mark Lazerus, The Athletic: Stone, Crosby, O'Reilly, Danualt, Marner
Sarah McLellan, Minneapolis Star Tribune: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Backlund, Aho
Daniel Nugent-Bowman, The Athletic: Crosby, Stone, O'Reilly, Barkov, Aho
Dave Poulin, TSN: Danault, O'Reilly, Couturier, Stone, Backlund
JJ Regan, NBC Sports Washington: Crosby, O'Reilly, Aho, Stone, Danualt
Seth Rorabaugh, The Athletic: Cirelli, Lindholm, Barkov, Crosby, Zajac
Chris Ryan, Newark Star-Ledger: O'Reilly, Crosby, Stone, Barkov, Couturier
Sean Shapiro, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Lindholm, Barkov, Aho
Fluto Shinzawa, The Athletic: Barkov, Cirelli, O'Reilly, Stone, Lindholm
Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post Dispatch: O'Reilly, Couturier, Marner, Barkov, Stone
Adam Vingan, The Athletic: Stone, O'Reilly, Crosby, Foligno, Couturier
Lisa Wallace, The Canadian Press: Crosby, O'Reilly, Barkov, Stone, Couturier
Stephen Whyno, The Associated Press: O'Reilly, Stone, Couturier, Barkov, Crosby


Player (Points): Number of ballots they were included on of 23 without Bergeron (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

O'Reilly (143): 20/23 (7, 5, 7, 1, 0)
Stone (133): 22/23 (7, 5, 2, 5, 3)
Crosby (112): 18/23 (4, 7, 3, 2, 2)
Barkov (89): 16/23 (3, 3, 3, 7, 0)
Couturier (28): 10/23 (0, 1, 2, 2, 5)
Lindholm (18): 4/23 (0, 1, 2, 0, 1)
Cirelli (17): 2/23 (1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
Aho (12): 6/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 4)
Danault (11): 2/23 (1, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Backlund (9): 3/23 (0, 0, 1, 1, 1)
Marner (6): 2/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 1)
J. Staal (5): 1/23 (0, 0, 1, 0, 0)
Foligno (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Teravainen (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Toews (3): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 1, 0)
Cizikas (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Larkin (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Point (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)
Zajac (1): 1/23 (0, 0, 0, 0, 1)

Thanks for doing this...some mind boggling picks...some of the players who were picked first