2019 Entry Draft Thread (HF Draft Discord server, post #652)

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Who are we finally drafting?

  1. Caufield

    1.5%
  2. Broberg

    18.2%
  3. York

    25.8%
  4. Harley

    24.2%
  5. Newhook

    9.1%
  6. Heinola

    6.1%
  7. Lavoie

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Seider

    15.2%
  9. Kalyiev

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. ProspectsFanatic

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    Broberg or Harley seem like the correct discussion to have over the other defensemen, they basically have all the tools, you just need to figure out which one of the two will put it all together the best. I would guess one of the two will end up being a better player than York, Soderstrom and Heinola. Maybe, Seider could sneak as the better player.
     
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    Size, skating ability, playstyle in the offensive zone, vision. They do play fairly similarly, but Chabot is smarter and far better defensively.
     
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    Relax. It's a style comparison, not solely on skill or value.

    It's easy to pump up Chabot today based on the season he just had but he had similar issues to his game pre-draft and even in his draft +1.

    Chabot looked so so at the 16 WJC but broke out in the 17 WJC. The performance he had in his draft +2 was where people starting believing. That was when he was 19/20. Harley will be 19 the entire season of his draft +2

    I don't recall Chabot being a defensive beast in the Q. There were issues to his game and it was similar to Harley today.
     
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    Here comes people's favorite game to play during the draft: the comparables:

    Pierre McGuire said that good comparables for Thomas Harley are Thomas Chabot and Vince Dunn.
     
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    I feel like these are the two guys that Timmins has in mind at LD. I prefer both to York but Seider definitely is the wildcard here.
     
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    I've made the comparison before.
    If Broberg had high IQ with his tools, how come Heinola with less tools did so much better in a men's league?

    The gap has to be IQ. There's no other explanation. I can't see a guy with Brobergs tools at 17 or 18 with high IQ being completely ineffective.

    Not to mention that high IQ guys don't just skate with their head down and rip a shot on net every rush.
     
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    Sounds like that's our guy! ;)
     
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    Harley has one of the best shot IMO and a great follow-up in the Ozone, but his defending is really bad. I'm not sure I would touch a player with such difficulty in his own zone.
     
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    His slapshot is rumored to be on the weak side which might explain his lack of using it
     
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    Broberg also inexplicably had 17-0-3-3 in international play last season with the U17. I believe people are putting too much stock on the small sample of the recent U18 tournaments.
     
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    They just look so similar on the ice it's hard not to compare them...
     
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    Button's ratings on Harley...
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    York
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    I see the comparison myself. Some are just to sensitive about player comparisons.
     
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    I'd draft whatever winger falls if there's a glut of centers and d picked early barring that my pick would be whoever the best defensman left is likely seider.
     
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    My preference is Broberg, but I feel he will be gone. I think Timmins' preference will be York!
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with nearly any of those ratings
     
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    Cam York.

    He's everything both our prospect pool and our pro tream needs. We've never recovered from losing Markov, Beaulieu being a bust and Sergachev traded set us back for years on D.

    York, outside of Byram, is the most creative D in the draft. His hockey IQ is unreal.
     
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    Except its probably the best comparison I can come up with. If you actually watched him, you'd know what I'm talking about. Its not a lazy comparison because both are named Thomas and over 6'.

    Thats the thing, they don't play the same way at all. Chabot is oppressive in his use of his skating, he's super aggressive and finds openings with great creativity. Meanwhile, Harley is much more reserved, uses his skating sparingly, goes for the quick pass more often than not and chooses to play the cycle instead of being the core of the play.

    Its a style comparison that youve made when you didn't know a thing about Harley yesterday, by your own words.

    My guess is that its made because they both share really dumb things like height, name, handedness and reputation.
     
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    Different linemates, coach, systems etc.

    I am not discounting the possibility of an IQ deficit, just that it is exceptionally difficult to accurately identify in very young dmen. The presence of high IQ is easy to spot but sometimes there are mitigating circumstances that masquerade as low IQ.

    Some kids just handle new environments better than others. If Broberg struggles this season than there is reason for concern. At the end of the day that is a very real risk but his struggles do not necessarily mean that he can't demonstrate a high IQ at the pro level.

    I hire kids out of University and some of my brightest stars are the one's who initially struggled the most. Sometimes the combination of overthinking, performance anxiety and unfamiliar surroundings are overwhelming to a kid who hasn't struggled with anything before.

    Unfortunately we have to make a decision with Broberg without the benefit of clear foresight. There is definitely a risk but I think it is premature to write off his IQ this early in his development. The fact is that every kid has warts at 15 in this draft so no matter who we select there will be some level of apprehension.
     
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    I've actually had drastic change of heart on Harley. All aboard the Harley train. As long as newhooks gone.
     
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    I think we must have watched different OHL games of Harley, in each one I saw he was incredibly aggressive, often leading the forecheck with his skating and playing as more of a rover than a defenseman.
     
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    Here's some groups I have

    Trap prospects (these guys have tools that wow you but there's question marks that if answered mean they become great NHLers but if they aren't, they will bust or be far below projections)
    Dylan Cozens
    Peyton Krebs
    Philip Broberg
    Vasili Podkolzin
    Cam York
    Thomas Harley
    Raphael Lavoie
    Moritz Seider

    No drafts (guys I just don't draft)
    Artur Kaliyev
    Ryan Suzuki
    Alex Vlasic

    Guys with first round grades that I wouldn't pick until the second
    Samuel Poulin
    Jakob Pelletier
     
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    Button is a tried and tested moron. He is a very simple man, incapable of imparting wisdom on any topic to anyone.....
     
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    Yes it’s lazy to compare him to one of the best defenders of the 2000s just because they are both LD and around 6’0. Heinola is more like Ryan Ellis without the slapshot than he is Markov.
     
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    I mean they're not inherently bad, but I'm the biggest York fanboy here and I'd still give his skating a 4, whereas defensive play being less than Harley's screams <?> to me

    I feel like Billy Constantinou will be this year's Wyatte Wylie or Jakob Ragnarsson.
    Player I want taken with the selection before we pick :(
     
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