NHL Entry Draft 2019 Entry Draft Discussion

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  1. Golden_Jet

    Golden_Jet Registered User

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    We can have both if we re-sign #1 centre Duchene.
    FWIW I was for taking Tkachuk vs gambling on 18% chance of Hughes if we finished last.
     
  2. BondraTime

    BondraTime Registered User

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    I was looking more at the guys ranked 2-3-4-5, as Hughes definitely isn't huge, but if you only view Hughes as better than that's perfectly fine
     
  3. Xspyrit

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    Ok like I said I didn't want to be part of the debate so that's why I only quoted that small part. I wanted to point out how that argument doesn't work, context or not. It's too obvious that it's useless to point it out.

    Of course Tkachuk isn't going to be the 4th best player in the draft. Some guys drafted below will more than likely outplay him. It happens every freaking draft. Everybody should be 100% aware of that by now. Look at any draft, any pick and do a re-draft. Very rarely the original pick will be in the same spot in the re-draft. There's always guys like Karlsson and Chabot who outplay those 3/4/5th OA picks.

    I gave the Pietrangelo example... but it could have been literally any pick

    You can mention the players that you would have drafted instead but saying he won't be the 4th best player in the draft says nothing. Just my opinion.

    For me, it's more Tkachuk vs the other guys that we could have picked at this spot. IIRC it was between him and Zadina, Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, Wahlstrom and Dobson? Of course, they could have picked somebody else but it would have been going off the board like the Yotes for example.

    Anyway, I think it's going to be a good pick no matter what. I look at his brother, I watched his father, I watch Brady and it's clearly in their genes. Brady won't be the one "not as good", he has the skill and overall skill-set, plus the "it" factor to be as good.

    Finally, I don't think we'll be looking at the 2018 draft like one of the good ones, more like a very average one.
     
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  4. JonnyMacSen

    JonnyMacSen 2nd round Chlapik!

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    Obviously BPA should be taken, but Right Shot D should be something the Sens should consider this draft, depth is pretty low there and they cost a fortune via trade.

    I haven't followed this draft as hard as previous years but I like what I've seen from Billy Constantinou, could be a decent 2nd round choice. Jordan Spence in Moncton is another, but have only seen a couple games but he always sticks out, especially on the PP.
     
  5. DJB

    DJB #MELNYKOUT

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    This thread is depressing.

    Hopefully we get at least one first rounder in one of deadline deals.
     
  6. BondraTime

    BondraTime Registered User

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    Again, I was talking about the guys who I had ranked ahead of him, which is what the poster states to start the conversation. You're taking a part of a conversation an omitting all the context behind it.
     
  7. Xspyrit

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    Yes BECAUSE I said that I'm not going into the debate.

    I specifically identified the argument I quoted and tried to explain that it's an useless thing to say CONTEXT OR NOT. The statement is clear "Still am, I highly doubt Tkachuk is going to be the 4th best player from this draft.". I don't know what kind of context it would take to make this statement not a statement anymore?

    If you don't get what I meant, it's ok let's move on, not like it's very important anyway. Just wanted to note that "player x drafted nth OA won't be the nth best player in the draft" doesn't work because it's very rarely the case. 2006, 2013, 2015 might be the only drafts in recent history where the 4th OA pick might be worthy of a top-4 pick.
     
  8. BondraTime

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    I completely understand what you mean, it's a very simple concept, in no way was I saying that anyone who ends up better should have been selected above him. As was mentioned in the quote that started it, which gives the context of me not having Tkachuk at 4th overall and thinking others should be taken before him, I had assumed that me still having others ranked before him was understood as that was what the quote was about.

    Obviously I left it too open to interpretation
     
  9. Xspyrit

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    ok anyway, it's semantics.

    What was your top-10/15?
     
  10. BondraTime

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    I'd have to look around, but if I remember correctly it was
    1. Dahlin
    2. Svechnikov
    3. Dobson
    4. Kotkaniemi
    5. Zadina
    6. Hughes
    7. Bouchard
    8. Tkachuk
    9. Boqvist
    10. Farabee

    Could definitely be off on what I had going in by a spot or two, but I believe that was something along those lines. Definitely pretty off on what happened. Tkachuk, as was it was brought up, is definitely looking like a fine 4th overall pick now, though I still would much rather Dobson, I know that's not a popular opinion. Tkachuk definitely should have been above Bouchard and Zadina, Dobson and Hughes I'm not so sure.

    I know I'd heard Zadina wasn't the 1st guy from the Q on a growing number of lists, he was dropping for me coming into the draft.

    I fully expected Tkachuk to be our pick as I stated many times prior to the draft
     
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    I think it is pretty telling that Dobson was relied on more heavily in the important games than Bouchard for the WJC. I thought Bouchard would blow away the competition there and that Dobson being younger would be pretty sheltered... Kotkaniemi is looking like a future superstar. Interesting you didn't have Wahlstrom as high as others - he definitely needs to develop more tools to drive play.
     
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    This is completely off memory, I may have had Wahlstrom at 9 (can't remember if it was him or Boqvist, I know I had one of them out)
     
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    Anybody watch Kelowna play? They’ve got a couple intriguing RHD prospects in Thomson and Korczak
     
  14. Hale The Villain

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    Neither are 1st round material in my opinion.

    Thomson is a terrific skater and is quite skilled, but his hockey sense isn't the greatest. Loves to rush the puck but tries to go through the opposing team himself way too much. He looks like a guy who should go top 20, but doesn't get nearly enough out his tools.

    Korczak has the makings of a good defensive D. Great size, decent skater, solid puckmover. Not huge offensive upside, but better than his mediocre point totals indicate. He doesn't get a lot of top PP time, as Thomson runs the first unit, with the other D spot being occupied by a forward.

    I'd rather Korczak personally. Could be a target for one of our 2nds this year, but there will likely be better players available IMO.
     
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    We have to. There is no way we don’t. I mean he’s incompetent yes but getting a 1st or 2 or 3 is absolutely necessary.
     
  16. Johnny Hanson

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    Thanks for the information. I was thinking Korczak with a 2nd only because we need to develop a defensive minded RD partner for one of our offensive minded LD guys like Chabot, Wolanin and Lajoie.
     
  17. Tkachuckycheese

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    Think the Sens could get Nolan Foote with the 1st pick...





    in the 2nd round?
     
  18. hockey20000

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    KAPPO >hughes.
     
  19. SadEugeneOregonDonor

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    Luckily we will face them both many times over the next 20 years so we will be able to reach an unbiased conclusion as to who the superior player is
     
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    Is he someone we even want? Doesn't seem like he has progressed much since entering the OHL based on his stats..
     
  21. Tkachuckycheese

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    Plays in the WHL. But he plays hard in the corners and has a really great shot. Goes to the front of the net and causes havoc. Could use another player like that in the system.
     
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    My bad about the OHL/WHL confusion. Admittedly just stat watching but he doesnt seem to me like a high upside pick. I like the safe pick but if 32 is our first selection I would rather go for someone with more upside. Of course his production could not be indicative of his skill, in which case I would be more receptive
     
  23. Stephen

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    Reminds me of when the Leafs traded their 1997 first rounder to the Islanders to get Wendel Clark and Mathieu Schneider, and around this time in 1997, it looked like the Islanders would be picking 1st and 2nd to snag Thornton and Marleau.
     
  24. Six Assets

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    Kakko compared himself to matthews, thought it was a decent comparison from what I saw at the WJC.
     
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    Caesar Rex Et tu, Dorion

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    yea defs some matthews/forsberg vibes from Kakko.

    sigh
     
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