King'sPawn
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These camps are usually for players who haven't been to at least two or three of them. Clague is "graduated"
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These camps are usually for players who haven't been to at least two or three of them. Clague is "graduated"
kovacro
Uvijek Vjerni
He played a year of pro so I’m guessing the Kings don’t need to look at him lumped in with prospects on their reserve list, free agent camp invitees and guys they just drafted.
If you look at the roster, you don’t see too many kids on their that have a decent chunk of pro experience. JAD had his cup of coffee and Kehler played some in the ECHL but that’s it.
Even a couple of the Euro kids look like they had just a cup of coffee in their respective pro leagues.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Finding another overager like Lubo who can immediately make the jump to the NHL would be nice. Especially if he can replace this player as Doughty's defense partner...
Pierre's comments about booing Forbort are hilarious given the fact that he's not too fondly viewed by fans nine years later. The guy hit a development wall in North Dakota and never improved further.
cyclones22
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That's why I hated it when the Kings would draft on physical profile and project skill development into that body. I understand that's part of drafting, but size means nothing without the skill. It seems like during the last days of Lombardi, he traded/kept the wrong defensemen in the pipeline.
Ziggy Stardust
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And when you hear the word "project" attached to a prospect, I'd say nine out of 10 times, those projects fail. How many prospects with that label even pan out? The Rangers have taken on quite a few of those as well, projects with size, and they all failed.
Most prospects fail in general. They effectively have to push someone else out of the league to get into it.
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
Nobody is saying every prospect has to pan out, but when drafting in the first round, you don't want to mess those up most of the time.
Raccoon Jesus
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I mean, Forbort was drafted exactly where he was projected. It was a project, but not a crazy reach that the Kings took a chance on him. He wasn't a high skill guy but his scouting report--skating, first pass, everything minus the leadership--read like Bjornfot's.
His development really did hit a brick wall, he looked very promising, even with a quiet game. He didn't look like a guy who would become scrambly and tentative. And his phenomenal breakout passes, the thing that turned me onto him in the first place, have evaporated altogether. And it's like his skating got actively worse, definitely slower. Some things you can't predict.
His development really did hit a brick wall, he looked very promising, even with a quiet game. He didn't look like a guy who would become scrambly and tentative. And his phenomenal breakout passes, the thing that turned me onto him in the first place, have evaporated altogether. And it's like his skating got actively worse, definitely slower. Some things you can't predict.
I never got the whole project thing in the first couple rounds, it's never shown to be a good strategy. The Forbort pick was poor at that slot, but at least he's an NHL level defenseman I guess. Looking back maybe a 3rd round talent, but way better than the Teubert disaster. Boyle is a project type guy that panned out, it took him a long while but he got it together. Probably not up to his draft spot, but at least worth a 2nd rounder.
It makes zero sense to draft a project guy early. You better know damn well what you are getting in a first rounder.
Raccoon Jesus
Todd McLellan is an inside agent
Boyle probably woudl have had a better development path if we wouldn't have swapped him to and from D, as well, haha. But it wasn't till his NYR move when he started working with the skating coach that he started making an impact.
Teubert was a shit show and he was part of that run of drafts where people kept drafting "big nasty stay at home D" early in the first round. Man, every single one of those guys was a failure. I hated every minute of that. If they don't have the IQ to at least move the play at the junior level, they won't have the IQ to defend/keep up with the play at the NHL level.
King'sPawn
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I remember when everyone laughed at Arizona (Phoenix at the time) for drafting Blake Wheeler. How many players would you take over Wheeler at 5th overall, with the benefit of hindsight?
Granted, he left under **** circumstances, but take a look at the 2004 draft class: 2004 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com
Projects are dangerous, because they are long term commitments you are unsure will pan out (just like goalies). It doesn't mean it's not a viable strategy. You just have to have the right developmental team to bring these players along.
kovacro
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Not sure if this was posted somewhere previous..
Kings' draft day video reveals a Sens trade that fell through and how their Habs trade was finalized
https://www.bardown.com/kings-draft...-how-their-habs-trade-was-finalized-1.1328218
Kings' draft day video reveals a Sens trade that fell through and how their Habs trade was finalized
https://www.bardown.com/kings-draft...-how-their-habs-trade-was-finalized-1.1328218
Raccoon Jesus
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DoktorJeep
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The Forbort pick was drafting based on need, because Dean wanted a replacement for Scuderi, Mitchell or Regehyr type stay at home D.
Little Psycho
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Herby
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Kept chasing defenseman after the joke picks of Hickey and Teubert who even by 2010 everyone knew were going to be disasters.
BigKing
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If Forbort wasn't such a giant p***y, the flaws in his game wouldn't be such a turn off but he is simply the least interesting player in the NHL.
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regulate
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I agree it was based upon need (a huge mistake), but Scuderi was only in his first season and unless Dean was clairvoyant, Mitchell and Regehr weren't even on the team yet.
ScoreZeGoals
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Finding another overager like Lubo who can immediately make the jump to the NHL would be nice. Especially if he can replace this player as Doughty's defense partner...
Pierre's comments about booing Forbort are hilarious given the fact that he's not too fondly viewed by fans nine years later. The guy hit a development wall in North Dakota and never improved further.
By the way where the heck is Futa didn't see him at the draft is he no longer with the organization? Am I late on something?
Pierre's comments about booing Forbort are hilarious given the fact that he's not too fondly viewed by fans nine years later. The guy hit a development wall in North Dakota and never improved further.
By the way where the heck is Futa didn't see him at the draft is he no longer with the organization? Am I late on something?
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From 2000 to 2009 80 percent of first-round picks become at least low-level NHL players, while 44 percent of those players selected in the second round make the NHL a career. Just 30 percent of third-round picks become NHL players, and the percentages continue to drop in the later rounds.
You need to hit your first and second rounders.
You need to hit your first and second rounders.
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