Euro: 2019 Champions League Final

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by koyvoo, May 8, 2019.

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Who will win?

Poll closed Jun 1, 2019.
  1. Liverpool

    70.3%
  2. Tottenham

    29.7%
  1. Live in the Now

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    Surprised he didn’t fall off.
     
  2. Evilo

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    Since the law is that there must be intent, saying the attacker deliberatly hitting someone's arm is a handball is ridiculous.
    I'll give Mane the benefit of the doubt because all of this went so quickly.
    But if he did it on purpose it DOES change the way you look at it. Players will now target handballs all the time. And the natural position of the arm IS NOT behind the back.
     
  3. les Habs

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    They touched on that, but they should have never told the refs that in the first place and that does nothing to change my mind. Change the rule if that's what you want because this is what the rule states:

    https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/laws-of-the-game-2018-19.pdf?cloudid=khhloe2xoigyna8juxw3

    Pretty clear it wasn't hand ball based on that. Their new interpretation is bad for the game as was evidence yesterday.
     
  4. Live in the Now

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    They did change the rule starting next season. Basically everything is handball now. I think everyone can see how dumb that is.
     
  5. les Habs

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    Key to that is "next season".

    Not if this thread is evidence.
     
  6. spintheblackcircle

    spintheblackcircle ...so that happened.

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    Of course it was intentional, Mane is a smart player. He saw the arm up, he was looking right at Sissoko before he kicked it. He saw the arm up and DRILLED it. He wasn't crossing to anyone, if it missed Sissoko it was likely heading out to touch.
     
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  7. koyvoo

    koyvoo For Badgeholders Only

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    When Liverpool win the CL né t year, only Madrid will have more titles than them.
     
  8. Evilo

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    Maybe. But things go so fast it's easier said than done.
     
  9. S E P H

    S E P H @SEPH_WHL

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    Congrats Liverpool, didn’t watch the game because after Arsenal’s display it just killed my interest. But you lot shows how to properly rebuild a club from the disasters of the Rodger era. No way you’re going to come back from a three goal deficient again against a Barca type of club though.

    Only if Wenger decided to step down five years in the past where all these superior managers were available. Selfish prick.
     
  10. S E P H

    S E P H @SEPH_WHL

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    It will be tough, Bayern will probably strengthen, Juve will strengthen, Madrid will strengthen, PSG should strengthen, Barca will strengthen, and Man City will probably pay more attention to the CL than EPL next year. I can see Liverpool going far once again, but not sure Spurs can replicate that success.
     
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    Liverpool's parade is live on YouTube for those interested.
     
  13. kyle evs48

    kyle evs48 Devilish Boy Grin

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    My initial thought was that Mane 100% intentionally chipped the ball into Sissoko’s arm, which was outstretched to direct traffic. Sissoko’s arm changes the direction of the ball - I don’t think that was his intention but his arm is still in an unnatural position.

    That’s a 50/50 pen IMO - neither a must-give nor an egregious call.
     
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    Drunk Klopp is a treasure
     
  15. Cassano

    Cassano nyeah eh

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    Love Kloppo :laugh:

     
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    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    This is really stupid
     
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    “Deliberate act” has, for several years, been interpreted to include players making their frame bigger by having hands away from the body.

    It’s a judgement call for the ref to determine if the hand is in an unnatural position or not.

    There’s really no way to write the rule that removes the ambiguity, it’s almost always going to involve a judgement call.
     
  19. hatterson

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    How do you pretend you’re fit? Teams test you 9 ways to Sunday to see if you can run, cut, jump, etc.
     
  20. Cassano

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    He was clearly not 100% and it hurt the team in a cup final. Selfish or stupid by Pochettino.
     
  21. hatterson

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    Right, he clearly wasn’t 100% but that had nothing to do with him pretending. Poch and the medical staff would have been well aware of his physical limitations.

    If anyone is to blame for Kane playing when he wasn’t up for it, it’s Pochettino.
     
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    Plenty of players underperformed. It could just have been down to that he was facing a very difficult defensive system from Klopp in this game and not necessarily his health.

    Though not playing for a while or being healthy and then jumping into a game like that is always going to be a gamble. Firmino was pretty bad too.
     
  23. Halladay

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    Every player in that situation is going to try to play. The problem was Poch not subbing him.
     
  24. Vasilevskiy

    Vasilevskiy I've many surnames

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    I would be dissapointed if my superstar didn't want/try to play on the biggest game of his career so far. That tweet is ****.
     
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    To be fair, a lot of tests involved are to a large extent based on questions and the answers from the player. If they try something and ask him how that feels and he goes "Yeah no pain or discomfort" then that can certainly create a false impression of his state of fitness.
     

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