Prospect Info: 2019-2020 Senators Prospects Watch Part II

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BondraTime

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I think they’re banking on players who were playing in the states getting cold feet due to the corona virus
Quebec had an agreement with Nause beforehand, in typical Rampart fashion.

He’s the 2nd best player taken in the draft today, actually he’s likely the best this coming year as a guy that already had a very, very good 16 year old season in the USHL. If he never had a deal in place there is no chance the Sea Dogs pass on him, star 17 year old New Brunswick kid. I see him pushing the top 10 this coming draft. Would have been a dream for Saint John, it was assumed he was going to be relinquished by val’dor, but probably messed some teams boards up happening the day before.

He’s probably the most underrated guy in next years draft, being a D that went to the USHL, he’s going to rocket up boards as soon as the season starts.
 
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I agree with your assessment of DJ and the only player I can think of who was gifted ice time was White. He was terrible last year and the Sens played him above others.

Wolanin should be working hard but so should the players he’s competing against. He has missed a lot of hockey and I don’t think it will be easy to get back to where he was. I think we tend to overate his limited play so to legitimately making the team may require him to have improved since his injury. Jaros, Aspirot, Brann, Thomson, Zub, Lajoie will all be in the mix.

Last yr was part of the rebuild & DJ had to play players like Ennis, Namestikov & other UFAs to increase their value somewhat to hopefully move them at the deadline which they did successfully. This coming season I expect they will over play Anisimov, Tierny, Reilly & maybe even Hawryluk to also increase their value leading up to the deadline. That's what rebuilding teams do is sign a couple of decent UFAs during the off season to help the younger guys, then move them at the deadline for some assets/picks.

I don't agree with you on White at all, he plays a very good defensive game since he started playing in Ottawa & it's his offensive game that needs a little more work or luck. I doubt he will ever drive a line, but be more of the defensive conscience of a line with two good offensive players. This doesn't mean that Ottawa won't replace him at some point if a better player emerges from the prospects at centre, but at the moment he plays the kind of defensive game that DJ clearly likes. IMO he has kind of taken over for Pageau in that regard.

The defence on this team is most concerning & the defencemen they have signed & traded for are also most concerning IMO. I think Wolanin is head & shoulders better than any of the other guys you mentioned, he was the best defencemen in Belleville before he was called up & was looking great & then the injury ruined his yr. I also thought he looked good before the season ended due to the pandemic. Given his age & experience I think he will get another long look. The only guy who could challenge him from that list of players is Brannstrom who is also a left shot, the others are right shots except for Aspirot who I consider an AHL defenceman. Brannstrom might be a better passer & younger but Wolanin is the better skater, bigger, tougher & better defensively, if Wolanin can generate more offence than he will be tough to beat IMO.
 

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Last yr was part of the rebuild & DJ had to play players like Ennis, Namestikov & other UFAs to increase their value somewhat to hopefully move them at the deadline which they did successfully. This coming season I expect they will over play Anisimov, Tierny, Reilly & maybe even Hawryluk to also increase their value leading up to the deadline. That's what rebuilding teams do is sign a couple of decent UFAs during the off season to help the younger guys, then move them at the deadline for some assets/picks.

I don't agree with you on White at all, he plays a very good defensive game since he started playing in Ottawa & it's his offensive game that needs a little more work or luck. I doubt he will ever drive a line, but be more of the defensive conscience of a line with two good offensive players. This doesn't mean that Ottawa won't replace him at some point if a better player emerges from the prospects at centre, but at the moment he plays the kind of defensive game that DJ clearly likes. IMO he has kind of taken over for Pageau in that regard.

The defence on this team is most concerning & the defencemen they have signed & traded for are also most concerning IMO. I think Wolanin is head & shoulders better than any of the other guys you mentioned, he was the best defencemen in Belleville before he was called up & was looking great & then the injury ruined his yr. I also thought he looked good before the season ended due to the pandemic. Given his age & experience I think he will get another long look. The only guy who could challenge him from that list of players is Brannstrom who is also a left shot, the others are right shots except for Aspirot who I consider an AHL defenceman. Brannstrom might be a better passer & younger but Wolanin is the better skater, bigger, tougher & better defensively, if Wolanin can generate more offence than he will be tough to beat IMO.

I sorta flip flop on why DJ played Ennis/Brown types so much. In the end I think it comes down to those players were effective and working hard. They are high motors constantly pushing or challenging play. I think it had less to do with trying to squeeze a 4th out of Ennis but it is a nice bonus.

As the roster fill ups with forwards I have to think DJ will give playing time to any of the prospects that are earning time. I dont think the value of flipping Arti for a 5th is greater than giving Brown/Norris their playing time to develop (if they are ready) . If your not better than Arti, Ryan, White, or Tierney ... your probably not ready. There is a fine line, at some point they will need the time to gain experience.

Re White. Agree to disagree. I see him position himself well defensively but he doesn’t effectively disrupt or breakup enough offensive plays. I’m a Byfield fan and a I see a bit of that in his game too. Basically, he plays cautious/stays high on his zone but doesn’t engage a rush or turn pucks over often. Being positioned as 3rd D as Center doesn’t necessarily make good a good defensive player.
 

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Gatineau Olympiques had the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 8th overall selections in the Qmjhl draft tonight. Going to be an exciting team to watch for the next few years. 67s vs Olympiques games going to be a doozy.
Wow! That's amazing for a team to amass that many early picks.

Just in time for no fans to be able to watch them too...
 

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Or Tychonick isn't as good as people think he could be, we'll see I guess. He looks more like trade bait to me.
 

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No one is saying he will be an NHLer, but the transfer certainly helps his chances.
Lots of people were talking about him as an NHLer, if my memory serves me correctly, well, except me. The transfer may get him more ice time, we'll see I guess if he improves enough to at the least make the AHL.
 
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Or Tychonick isn't as good as people think he could be, we'll see I guess. He looks more like trade bait to me.

big criticism is he couldn’t handle the rush and any type of one on one speed, he’s got the Jared Cowen going on. Make him turn and he’s done
 
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big criticism is he couldn’t handle the rush and any type of one on one speed, he’s got the Jared Cowen going on. Make him turn and he’s done

As a skilled defenceman type player, could he be coverted to forward?
 

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why I badly want Laf. Feel like he can rejuvenate Brown and make him a number 1 C.

For sure. Laf can make a 1st line from the wing.

Laf - Brown - Batherson

That is a gorgeous first line by 2021-22

yeah i brought this up a little while ago.. Laf and Tkatchuk have the potential to drag so much more out of their centermen. like really get them involved. i think Laf+By and BT+Brown.

For sure.

Laf - Brown - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Raymond

Is a killer top 6 and very much within our reach.

Those highlights showed how well he worked with Duclair (when he was in the NHL). I really think Brown can work with anyone... he has vision and hands just not quite the hustle and intensity that we'd all like to see.

You watch his highlight package and he has all the offensive tools. Give him a good two way winger and motivate him to use his skills on every shift and he's going to be a good one. Needs to be healthy and motivated though or he'll bust.

I really think this is his make or break year. He NEEDS to make the team in some capacity by Christmas, IMO. Even if it's just as a 4th line PP specialist.
 

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I don't think Brown can really bust. His vision is insane and he might have the best shot on the team already. But if he doesn't make it as top 6 talent, any coach worth his salt would be able to turn him into an effective bottom 6/tweener with his size, skating, reach and skill.

Brown will have a long NHL career.
 
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big criticism is he couldn’t handle the rush and any type of one on one speed, he’s got the Jared Cowen going on. Make him turn and he’s done

This comment make it sound like Jared Cowen was never able to defend, which is totally false. He was a beast in junior and even in the AHL, both defensively and offensively. He was dominating the ice ala Chara with his reach, mobility and physical presence. He also showed promise in his 19 y/o rookie year but was never the same after his 2012 injury. Any comment comparing a marginal prospect defensive problems to Jared Cowen has to be discredited right away, unless that player is also coming back from the same type of injuries and has his mobility affected drastically. Tychonick could end up having a better NHL career than Cowen (not likely though) but they're really not in the same tier when comparing them as prospects.

It's not just "my opinion", it's hockey people's knowledge. Very easy to find info/reports on this but this random comment on reddit says it all :

"He just never really recovered from the Hip injury and losing mobility in the NHL is a death sentence. When I say mobility I am not talking about speed skating, but the ability to effectively bend/flex/move at the hips is CRITICAL to hockey. lose that and you're done"

Some info on Cowen pre-draft :

https://thehockeywriters.com/11-jared-cowen-–-the-hockey-spy’s-2009-nhl-entry-draft-rankings/

Those highlights showed how well he worked with Duclair (when he was in the NHL). I really think Brown can work with anyone... he has vision and hands just not quite the hustle and intensity that we'd all like to see.

Remember that Crosby vs Spezza moment? He gave his all but just couldn't keep up with the Kid. Logan Brown is the same kind of player, he'll never be a hustle and intensity player ala Connor Brown. His game is pure skill and finesse, he is a playmaker (with a very good shot that he needs to use more). Put 2 very skilled players on his wings that can read plays and finish and you'll get efficiency out of Brown. Put him with "grinders" and he will fail.

That's why if we get Lafreniere (and Raymond or Holtz let's say) :

Lafreniere-Brown-Batherson
Tkachuk-Norris-Raymond/Holtz
Formenton-Pinto/White-Duclair/Balcers/Abramov
Paul-Chlapik/White-Brown
 
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IMO L. Brown needs a guy like Tkachuk on his wing, a guy who can do all the dirty work & still have the "heads up" ability to tip pucks & pick up the garbage around the net. Having a smart goal scorer on the other side who has a good shot is also important for Brown's success. In most cases Brown is a passer first & shooter second which is why he needs guys who can find the open spots & can take a pass through a number of pairs of legs & feet.

Byfield could be a similar player in that he doesn't look motivated at times either, but with his size & skill package will be able to bowl over smaller defenders or finesse his way around bigger players. He might also need a skilled tough guy on his line to do the dirty work like Tkachuk does or a playmaker who can make the plays while he drives the net. Lafreniere is as good a playmaker as he is goal scorer & could easily play this role & maybe so could Stutzle. Add a guy like Pinto to a Byfield/Lafreniere line or Stutzle would certainly create another potentially very good line. But what do they do if they don't get two of those guys, later in the draft (2nd & 3rd rd) they might be able to draft two guys who would compliment Byfield like Cuylle LW & Pytlik RW.

Having two big skilled centremen in the NHL would go a long way to improving this team & could also be the centre piece of this rebuild especially given they have another good centre already in the org in Norris. Strength down the middle is essential to NHL success IMO & Ottawa could have exactly that after this draft & need to add a complimentary forward or two. They also need to rework their defence which at the moment IMO is too small & soft for the NHL. Again this draft along with the 2021 draft could really help build this team into a contender depending on who they draft & what kind of team they want. Do they want another regular season team or do they want a playoff team? A finesse team or tough team or some combination of both?
 
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IMO L. Brown needs a guy like Tkachuk on his wing, a guy who can do all the dirty work & still have the "heads up" ability to tip pucks & pick up the garbage around the net. Having a smart goal scorer on the other side who has a good shot is also important for Brown's success. In most cases Brown is a passer first & shooter second which is why he needs guys who can find the open spots & can take a pass through a number of pairs of legs & feet.

Byfield could be a similar player in that he doesn't look motivated at times either, but with his size & skill package will be able to bowl over smaller defenders or finesse his way around bigger players. He might also need a skilled tough guy on his line to do the dirty work like Tkachuk does or a playmaker who can make the plays while he drives the net. Lafreniere is as good a playmaker as he is goal scorer & could easily play this role & maybe so could Stutzle. Add a guy like Pinto to a Byfield/Lafreniere line or Stutzle would certainly create another potentially very good line. But what do they do if they don't get two of those guys, later in the draft (2nd & 3rd rd) they might be able to draft two guys who would compliment Byfield like Cuylle LW & Pytlik RW.

Having two big skilled centremen in the NHL would go a long way to improving this team & could also be the centre piece of this rebuild especially given they have another good centre already in the org in Norris. Strength down the middle is essential to NHL success IMO & Ottawa could have exactly that after this draft & need to add a complimentary forward or two. They also need to rework their defence which at the moment IMO is too small & soft for the NHL. Again this draft along with the 2021 draft could really help build this team into a contender depending on who they draft & what kind of team they want. Do they want another regular season team or do they want a playoff team? A finesse team or tough team or some combination of both?

I see L. Brown needing to play with a player like Mariner / Bergeron / Alfie. Someone who can start building a play in the D-zone, can skate the puck through the O-zone, and shoot it in the O zone. Brown is great once he’s set up, that’s why he’s so good on the PP, he need help getting the puck into the O zone and having teammate sget him the puck once he’s in the O zone
 
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