2019-2020 Around the League Thread - Part III

[Foppa2118]

I don’t hate what the writer is saying here on the Hughes/Makar conversation. Though, I do think he’s missing a couple points.

He’s basically saying, to use a football analogy, that Hughes gets you more consistent yardage every play. I would entertain that Makar gives you more one-play touchdowns.

And one other note on the corsi numbers. I would guess that Girard factors into this a bit. Graves spent time with Girard when Makar was down which would inflate his away from Makar corsi numbers. Girard in my mind, is better than all Van defenceman except for Hughes.

As for the GM of the year. I agree. Sakic easily. You look at pretty much all the moves he made working out nearly perfectly and it’s a slam dunk.

They seemed to be making more of a corsi argument and a with/without argument, as well as an offensive zone starts argument. None of which is definitive enough, accurate enough, or meaningful enough IMO over the course of a 60 game sample size to make up for all the offensive numbers in Makar's favor.

I also think Makar provides more one play touchdown type plays, but he provides just as much consistent yardage type plays as Hughes too. Literally almost every shift Makar does something that helps the team a lot. Whether it's skating the puck out of the zone in situations every other D man would have to play safe, or a perfect short pass to a teammate in stride, or a long stretch pass for a scoring chance, or the plethora of things he does with the puck both up high and down low in the zone to generate scoring chances and momentum.

Makar does so much to help the Avalanche we almost take it for granted sometimes, because he does it every shift, every game.

 

[Metallo]

Dead serious. You don’t see that Makar is much more talented? I’ve got a feeling that Hughes is going to be Ghost 2.0 and Makar is Mack on D.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Dead serious. You don’t see that Makar is much more talented? I’ve got a feeling that Hughes is going to be Ghost 2.0 and Makar is Mack on D.

Yeesh...

 

[Pokecheque]

Dead serious. You don’t see that Makar is much more talented? I’ve got a feeling that Hughes is going to be Ghost 2.0 and Makar is Mack on D.

Um...okay then. I hope you don't have a meltdown if they pick Hughes.

I honestly don't know who I'd pick if indeed we're done with hockey for the 2019-20 season. It's a very fine line between the two IMHO. But hey, it's just MHO.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Um...okay then. I hope you don't have a meltdown if they pick Hughes.

I honestly don't know who I'd pick if indeed we're done with hockey for the 2019-20 season. It's a very fine line between the two IMHO. But hey, it's just MHO.

Yeah I don't know who I'd pick either. I think I'd homer vote Makar but these two are the future of young Dmen alongside Heiskanen and Dahlin. My favorite part of these 4 dmen is that they are all incredible skaters but all different types of players, pretty exciting time coming up in the NHL.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah I don't know who I'd pick either. I think I'd homer vote Makar but these two are the future of young Dmen alongside Heiskanen and Dahlin. My favorite part of these 4 dmen is that they are all incredible skaters but all different types of players, pretty exciting time coming up in the NHL.

I'm still leaning a little toward Hughes, as I believe he's still the more well-rounded and complete player, whereas Makar is more dynamic. I don't think either is a "wrong" pick by any means.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Yeah I don't know who I'd pick either. I think I'd homer vote Makar but these two are the future of young Dmen alongside Heiskanen and Dahlin. My favorite part of these 4 dmen is that they are all incredible skaters but all different types of players, pretty exciting time coming up in the NHL.

I’d probably lean Makar too, but yeah obviously I’m bias haha. He just makes such a huge impact for the Avs. Colorado’s transition game evaporated when he was out of the lineup.

I think extremely highly of Hughes as well though, it’s one of the reasons I believe the Canucks are going to be among the elite in the west for the next 6-7 years.

Those two and Heiskanen/Dahlin are franchise caliber imo.

Heiskanen is a step below the others in terms of what he brings to the offence, but also is probably the best on the defensive side at the moment.

All special, special talents and might be trading the Norris trophy between them throughout their careers.

 

[Metallo]

Yeesh...

He was good when he came in, had a 65pts season a few years after and then faded.

I’m not saying he’s going to fade but to me Hughes is a PP specialist like Ghost.

Makar is the more impactful player and his trophy case is going to be much more impressive then Hughes when it is all said and done. Even if he does not win the Calder.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He was good when he came in, had a 65pts season a few years after and then faded.

I’m not saying he’s going to fade but to me Hughes is a PP specialist like Ghost.

Makar is the more impactful player and his trophy case is going to be much more impressive then Hughes when it is all said and done. Even if he does not win the Calder.

Hughes is basically Girard plus 30/40 points a season and an elite PPQB. He will exponentially better than Ghost.

 

[PAZ]

He was good when he came in, had a 65pts season a few years after and then faded.

I’m not saying he’s going to fade but to me Hughes is a PP specialist like Ghost.

Makar is the more impactful player and his trophy case is going to be much more impressive then Hughes when it is all said and done. Even if he does not win the Calder.

Ghost faded because of injuries, after his surgery he lost his acceleration after being able to make space for himself his entire life.

 

[Foppberg]

If this is the best we see of Hughes I'll be shocked. He seems to a very confident, borderline cocky kid and has the talent and work ethic to back it up.

 

[Ararana]

If they kill the rest of the regular season, which at this point no way they don't, I don't care about any trophies TBH. Even the cup, IMO, won't feel like a real cup if we get some weird ass abbreviated version of the playoffs.

Every trophy win is going to have a big asterisks next to it.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

If this is the best we see of Hughes I'll be shocked. He seems to a very confident, borderline cocky kid and has the talent and work ethic to back it up.

Does anyone think he won’t get better?

As will Makar, Dahlin, and other young defenceman.

Confidence is important for on-ice play.

For growth, it’s important to remain humble and keep grinding. Not believing your great, even if you might be. At least that’s what I’ve seen from the top athletes.

 

[PAZ]

If they kill the rest of the regular season, which at this point no way they don't, I don't care about any trophies TBH. Even the cup, IMO, won't feel like a real cup if we get some weird ass abbreviated version of the playoffs.

Every trophy win is going to have a big asterisks next to it.

Eh, people say that but as time moves on, it becomes less of an asterisks. Same thing was said when Chicago won their cup in the shortened 2012-13 season, I don't see anyone putting an asterisks beside their name anymore.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I was unaware that Rangers fans believes Fox is having a better year than Makar.

 

[UncleRisto]

I was unaware that Rangers fans believes Fox is having a better year than Makar.

He's in New York, is he not?

 

[Metallo]

Hughes is basically Girard plus 30/40 points a season and an elite PPQB. He will exponentially better than Ghost.

I agree that Hughes is better than Ghost. Ghost was pretty hot for a second in Philly though. We’ll see what becomes of Hughes.

 

[Ararana]

I was unaware that Rangers fans believes Fox is having a better year than Makar.

I remember scrolling though their GDT against us the last game of the season, there were quite a few people who could not stop commenting how much better Fox was than Makar. I get being bias for your player but some people are just mental.

 

[henchman21]

Duchene is better than Tavares, Landy is better than Hubi... our guy is always better.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I remember scrolling though their GDT against us the last game of the season, there were quite a few people who could not stop commenting how much better Fox was than Makar. I get being bias for your player but some people are just mental.

I’ve been spending more time on the main board, since things are quiet around here because of the suspended season.

That was just the first Rangers fan, another told me that DeAngelo’s skills are on-par with Makar’s.

I think there’s a perception out there from fans of opposing teams that Makar is this flashy offensive player that just produces points, gets padded stats because of MacKinnon, and doesn’t offer much in the other areas of the game.

It’s just not true, you see Makar make the right little play in games all the time.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Duchene is better than Tavares, Landy is better than Hubi... our guy is always better.

Yeah, but nobody believes that lol

 

[henchman21]

Yeah, but nobody believes that lol

I recall Avs' fan talk about Duchene being as good as Tavares through the first ~4-5 years of their careers and Landy being superior to Hubi until the last two seasons. More TIC, but fans have bias for their guys. This is nothing new for any fanbase.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I recall Avs' fan talk about Duchene being as good as Tavares through the first ~4-5 years of their careers and Landy being superior to Hubi until the last two seasons. More TIC, but fans have bias for their guys. This is nothing new for any fanbase.

I wasn’t around this board then, so I’ll have to defer to your experience on that.

And of course it is true that fans have biases to their own players. I certainly do. But, there are times where it’s close and a reasonable argument can be made for both sides.

Like, I’m not going to scoff at people saying Hughes is better than Makar. That’s fine. I may disagree with it, but it’s not like I believe Makar is way better than Hughes.

But, I don’t believe Fox is on Makar’s level.

 

[henchman21]

I wasn’t around this board then, so I’ll have to defer to your experience on that.

And of course it is true that fans have biases to their own players. I certainly do. But, there are times where it’s close and a reasonable argument can be made for both sides.

Like, I’m not going to scoff at people saying Hughes is better than Makar. That’s fine. I may disagree with it, but it’s not like I believe Makar is way better than Hughes.

But, I don’t believe Fox is on Makar’s level.

Oh I don't either on Fox... I'm just saying this bias exists within every fanbase. The Rags are probably worse than other teams, but it exists everywhere.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Oh I don't either on Fox... I'm just saying this bias exists within every fanbase. The Rags are probably worse than other teams, but it exists everywhere.

Yeah I agree. I just wish everybody would be as objective as I am.