2019/20 Roster Thread XXXIV

[Curufinwe]

I don’t think the Flyers will throw Patrick straight into playoff hockey after not playing for over a year. Let him reset in the fall or whenever the 20/21 season ramps up

It won’t be playoff hockey right away for the top 4 teams.

and the AGM is already on record saying Patrick playing is an option.

 

[wasup]

Pretty funny to think about how that's probably the deepest forward group in the league (maybe Tampa?) and we've seldom had a Top 5 pick to do it.

Suck it, Toronto.

And thank you Mr Hextall

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

And thank you Mr Hextall

It's really a shame he was nose blind to the Haksmell, but I am not sure he makes the moves Fletcher did like bringing Hart up or acquiring Niskanen/Braun/Hayes, either.

 

[renberg]

I understand that in this game there are useless bums who would do anything to make a name for themselves. However the team/players need to let opponents know that if they cheap shot NP, that their best player is going to suffer a season/career ending injury as well as the clown who hit NP. If it was a legitimate hit, that’s another thing.
The worst thing that I ever saw in a Flyers game was seeing Kasparitis laughing on the bench after cheap shooting Lindros. The next shift, a Penguin should have died on the ice. If a team knows that you’re not going to tolerate that stuff, the game changes. IMO, Steven’s hit on Lindros should have been the end of Brodeur’s career. With teams that utilize head hunters, the only thing that they’ll understand is an eye for an eye.

 

[Domino666]

I understand that in this game there are useless bums who would do anything to make a name for themselves. However the team/players need to let opponents know that if they cheap shot NP, that their best player is going to suffer a season/career ending injury as well as the clown who hit NP. If it was a legitimate hit, that’s another thing.
The worst thing that I ever saw in a Flyers game was seeing Kasparitis laughing on the bench after cheap shooting Lindros. The next shift, a Penguin should have died on the ice. If a team knows that you’re not going to tolerate that stuff, the game changes. IMO, Steven’s hit on Lindros should have been the end of Brodeur’s career. With teams that utilize head hunters, the only thing that they’ll understand is an eye for an eye.

Stevens was a piece of trash, 85%-90% of his hits were illegal that’s How he made his living, I like your enthusiasm though

 

[Domino666]

I understand that in this game there are useless bums who would do anything to make a name for themselves. However the team/players need to let opponents know that if they cheap shot NP, that their best player is going to suffer a season/career ending injury as well as the clown who hit NP. If it was a legitimate hit, that’s another thing.
The worst thing that I ever saw in a Flyers game was seeing Kasparitis laughing on the bench after cheap shooting Lindros. The next shift, a Penguin should have died on the ice. If a team knows that you’re not going to tolerate that stuff, the game changes. IMO, Steven’s hit on Lindros should have been the end of Brodeur’s career. With teams that utilize head hunters, the only thing that they’ll understand is an eye for an eye.

Also I think Kronwall gets the Stevens treatment these days his highlight reel is mostly made up of illegal checks, that he leaves his feet on almost everyone but for some reason he’s branded as a “heavy hitter” and barely gets shit for it

 

[orangey]

Also I think Kronwall gets the Stevens treatment these days his highlight reel is mostly made up of illegal checks, that he leaves his feet on almost everyone but for some reason he’s branded as a “heavy hitter” and barely gets shit for it

Agreed. Also has to do with the team he plays for.

 

[Stizzle]

It's really a shame he was nose blind to the Haksmell, but I am not sure he makes the moves Fletcher did like bringing Hart up or acquiring Niskanen/Braun/Hayes, either.

Just a reminder, that Hayes deal still sucks. It's great that he scored some short-handed goals and injected some energy to the team, but even in year 1 his 5v5 stats are mediocre. It's not likely to get better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's really a shame he was nose blind to the Haksmell, but I am not sure he makes the moves Fletcher did like bringing Hart up or acquiring Niskanen/Braun/Hayes, either.

I could see him going for Hayes, but not the other two.

 

[TCTC]

I could see him going for Hayes, but not the other two.

Hextall probably would've tried to sign Hayes in the summer. But I can't see him trading for him which probably means he would've signed somewhere else.
I also can't see Hextall trading Gudas for Niskanen, let alone retain salary. That's definitely not a Hextall move.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Just a reminder, that Hayes deal still sucks. It's great that he scored some short-handed goals and injected some energy to the team, but even in year 1 his 5v5 stats are mediocre. It's not likely to get better.

If we win a Cup with him: I do not care what his contract is.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hextall probably would've tried to sign Hayes in the summer. But I can't see him trading for him which probably means he would've signed somewhere else.
I also can't see Hextall trading Gudas for Niskanen, let alone retain salary. That's definitely not a Hextall move.

Yeah, I put the Niskanen move as being the least likely.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Just a reminder, that Hayes deal still sucks. It's great that he scored some short-handed goals and injected some energy to the team, but even in year 1 his 5v5 stats are mediocre. It's not likely to get better.

Abosultely it sucks long term. My point was that I don't see Hexy going for it there... though he did try to get Stastny, so I suppose it's possible.

Best case scenario is Hayes on the wing long term with Couts/NP/Frost up the middle, so I was never in favour of getting him. Admittedly, I like what he does, but not at that price and term. The Flyers had to do something knowing about NP, though, and it still could lead to a Cup in 2020 which never would be possible without Hayes. So, for 2020, I'm for it. Beyond 2020, I can't get far enough away from it.

 

[Stizzle]

Abosultely it sucks long term. My point was that I don't see Hexy going for it there... though he did try to get Stastny, so I suppose it's possible.

Best case scenario is Hayes on the wing long term with Couts/NP/Frost up the middle, so I was never in favour of getting him. Admittedly, I like what he does, but not at that price and term. The Flyers had to do something knowing about NP, though, and it still could lead to a Cup in 2020 which never would be possible without Hayes. So, for 2020, I'm for it. Beyond 2020, I can't get far enough away from it.

I think it would be a total boss move by Chuck to use his (hypothetical?) Covid-19 amnesty buyout on Hayes. It would take balls and admittedly sends a bad message. In the long run it makes sense if Chuck expects NP back. I'm not sure if Hayes would even be eligible because of his NMC.

 

[Appleyard]

The Hayes deal does abide by my personal rule for top 6 players though.

The age 34 rule.

It expires a month after he turns 34.

Odds wise most once top 6 players barring big injuries are still solid, ~40 point, middle sixers at worst when they are 33. 34+ is a whole other matter.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hayes 5on5 numbers have improved as the season has gone on, so I do expect them to be better in other years. Giroux’s 5on5 numbers are also bizarrely poor this season.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think it would be a total boss move by Chuck to use his (hypothetical?) Covid-19 amnesty buyout on Hayes. It would take balls and admittedly sends a bad message. In the long run it makes sense if Chuck expects NP back. I'm not sure if Hayes would even be eligible because of his NMC.

That would be utterly insane.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hextall probably would've tried to sign Hayes in the summer. But I can't see him trading for him which probably means he would've signed somewhere else.
I also can't see Hextall trading Gudas for Niskanen, let alone retain salary. That's definitely not a Hextall move.

He retained salary on Grossmann.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Just a reminder, that Hayes deal still sucks. It's great that he scored some short-handed goals and injected some energy to the team, but even in year 1 his 5v5 stats are mediocre. It's not likely to get better.

Hayes was the missing piece of the Flyers' puzzle

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Just a reminder, that Hayes deal still sucks. It's great that he scored some short-handed goals and injected some energy to the team, but even in year 1 his 5v5 stats are mediocre. It's not likely to get better.

I disagree. Hayes is one of the guys that I think we’d be out of a 16 team playoff without. We locked up a defensively responsible second line center in his prime at around market rate going forward. It’ll be interesting to see what Granlund and strome get this offseason. One coming into UFA on a down year and the other on a career year.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

He retained salary on Grossmann.

To get rid of Pronger's whole salary, so I don't know how much I'd count that one.

 

[Starat327]

People need to understand the difference between a player sucking and a contract sucking.

 

[TB87]

Reminder:
The Flyers regularly tilted the ice in their favor when Travis Konecny was on-ice during the 19-20 regular season.

He became more and more of a line-driver as the season went on too. There’s a very real possibility that he’s only scratched the surface of what he’ll become at the NHL level. I am very excite about what the future holds for this player.

 

[Appleyard]

Reminder:
The Flyers regularly tilted the ice in their favor when Travis Konecny was on-ice during the 19-20 regular season.

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He became more and more of a line-driver as the season went on too. There’s a very real possibility that he’s only scratched the surface of what he’ll become at the NHL level. I am very excite about what the future holds for this player.

Yeh, the last two seasons he was already a very high end 5v5 scorer (and not saying that lightly... top 10 in the NHL)... and he has got better at other aspects of hockey as well in the mean-time.

 

[deadhead]

TK was overrated the last two years, he was a product of Couts, his play away from Couts was subpar, and certainly not top six level.
2017-2019:
w/ Couts: CF 55.68%, xGF 54.73%
w/o Couts: CF 45.35%, xGF 44.01%
w/o both: CF 47.75%, xGF 47.70%
2019-2020:
w/ Couts: CF 58.31%, xGF 56.94%
w/o Couts: CF 52.32%, xGF 52.80%
w/o both: CF 47.67%, xGF 47.09%
This season he's taken that step up where he drives lines and isn't the beneficiary of playing with top forwards.
That's the difference between a role player and a star.

Lindblom on the other hand, is one of the few players with a "zero" Couts effect, I think because his game is built around doing the dirty work, so he makes other linemates better, but doesn't depend on his linemates to get him the puck.