Prospect Info: 2019-20 Oilers Prospect Thread

[CupofOil]

Lavoie with 2 goals and an assist. He has now surpassed his goal totals of last year by 2 in 11 less games and has 16 goals in 21 games since the trade. I don't know if he has a big NHL future but he's shown some nice improvement this season (at least by the numbers) and seems to play better in the bigger games. It'll be interesting to follow him in the CHL playoffs.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Lavoie with 2 goals and an assist. He has now surpassed his goal totals of last year by 2 in 11 less games and has 16 goals in 21 games since the trade. I don't know if he has a big NHL future but he's shown some nice improvement this season (at least by the numbers) and seems to play better in the bigger games. It'll be interesting to follow him in the CHL playoffs.

Wasn't he projected to be a 1st rounder, and somehow fell into the 2nd round? He's got the size (knows how to use it) and shot. As his skating continues to improve the sky is the limit no?

 

[CupofOil]

Wasn't he projected to be a 1st rounder, and somehow fell into the 2nd round? He's got the size (knows how to use it) and shot. As his skating continues to improve the sky is the limit no?

He fell to the 2nd round because of compete issues. That's a pretty big concern but he certainly has the physical tools to be a top 6 NHLer, prototypical boom bust prospect.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

He fell to the 2nd round because of compete issues. That's a pretty big concern but he certainly has the physical tools to be a top 6 NHLer, prototypical boom bust prospect.

I always heard about his compete issues but I was shocked to see a nearly goal per game playoffs player go second round like he did. Not sure how you score 20 goals in 23 playoff games if you have compete issues

 

[Aerchon]

Wasn't he projected to be a 1st rounder, and somehow fell into the 2nd round? He's got the size (knows how to use it) and shot. As his skating continues to improve the sky is the limit no?

He fell to the 2nd round because of compete issues. That's a pretty big concern but he certainly has the physical tools to be a top 6 NHLer, prototypical boom bust prospect.

His role on the gold medal wjc team was as a 4th line checker. Even there was finding open ice for great shooting opportunities. More a situation of not getting the puck than any actual scoring issues.

Even his skating was not noticeably deficient in any way that I could tell at that level.

As mentioned scoring that much and having compete issues seems strange. Combine with accepting and doing well in a checking role of the WJC... it is surprising we got him in the second where we did.

He is from the Q... watered down league a bit. His skating isn't a strength... bit still A very interesting prospect that I would label blue chip. If Benson graduates and Holland goes for defense again for our first rounder he will be our only true blue chip forward prospect in the organization.

 

[North]

He fell to the 2nd round because of compete issues. That's a pretty big concern but he certainly has the physical tools to be a top 6 NHLer, prototypical boom bust prospect.

It was also skating issues that dropped him out of the first round.

 

[nafrelio]

I hope Holland asks Broberg what he wants again this offseason. He was how many days away from being eligible for this year's draft? If his mom ate one less spicy taco we might be talking about drafting him this year.

Let him marinate in sweden until he feels he is ready.

The cutoff for the draft year - players must be 18 by September 15 to qualify for the June draft a few months earlier. Broberg's birthday is June 25. Why the narrative that he just missed out on being in this year's draft? He's almost three months before the cutoff. What am I missing?

 

[LaGu]

What are you on about. He was third in toi for the swedish D, his coach explicitly saying he used his pairing as a tough minutes pair. He wasn’t brilliant but was playing well during the WJCs, was at his best when the games mattered, and his worst when they had zero value. He’s playing around 14 minutes/night in the SHL, almost exclusively 5v5 aka third pairing minutes. Which is fine. This idea that you have to play 20minutes plus at 18 to develop is just silly. If it was true swedish hockey would have serious issues developing NHL level D. Spolier alert...they don’t. Like at all. As long as a player is getting a regular shift and is steadily improving, and Broberg is on both accounts, I don’t see any issues with ice time.

People tend to miss that 1) he was the youngest D on team Sweden and 2) it was the most stacked defense on an U20 team since I can remember. He was definitely ok by my eye. I heard an interview with him some time ago (with a Swedish blogger I think) where he talked about the fact that as a player you need to accept the role you are given on a team. This was in reference to the WJHC.

In regards to skelleftea, it is more or less the same situation. I don't know which team that has a more stacked D core than Skelleftea to be honest.

The other night was telling when Skelleftea with Broberg beat Brynas with Soderstrom.
Score 5 - 3.
Broberg 13:15 mins, on-ice 2 GF 1 GA
Soderstrom 19:35 mins, on-ice 1 GF 4 GA

Skelleftea are moving up towards to top of the table, while Brynas are on the outside looking in in terms of playoffs. Soderstrom playing lots of minutes but being outplayed in terms of GF/GA while Broberg with limited minutes had a very solid game and positive impact on the results. Soderstrom has been a revelation this season, basically scoring at the same pace as Victor Hedman at the age of 18. Still though his season could end very soon and not on a great note despite his personal success. Broberg will get a taste of the playoffs and playing on a very good team.

Anyhow, as I have said before, the only ones worried about Broberg's season and play in Sweden seem to be hfoil posters.

 

[nuck]

It was also skating issues that dropped him out of the first round.

Are you sure? Last year at least there were few complaints about his skating. Mind you there is the "for his size" qualifier and a guy that big with those hands obviously has some holes or he goes top 10. He has ramped up to a 100pt pace since the trade. Hope he can keep it up.


Towering over opponents at 6’4”, Lavoie is rangy, powerful, and deceptively mobile.
By David St-Louis@RinksideView Apr 14, 2019, 8:00am EDT

But, every year organizations put a few names on their draft boards in hopes that those prospects could use their size effectively in the new NHL environment, as they are not only rangy and powerful, but also mobile.

Raphael Lavoie is one of those names. At 6’4” and 198 pounds, the right-handed shot immediately stands out when he lines up for a faceoff. He towers over opponents and teammates alike and looks like a veteran NHL player who could have escaped to relive some of his Junior days.
More than his size, what makes the prospect exciting is that he is a deceptively good skater. Lavoie has no problem catching up, or even getting ahead of the play. He doesn’t have the fast-twitching legs of his smaller, speedy counterparts, but instead traverses the neutral zone in a few long and powerful strides. Lavoie’s size would be intimidating on its own for defencemen, but having the 6’4’’ forward driving fast and directly at them makes most of them think twice about standing up at the blue line to stop him.

Raphael Lavoie's Player Profile

Cam Robinson - Dobber ProspectsMay 15th: "Powerful forward boasts a deadly release that’s as heavy as it is accurate. Protects the puck well and forces his way into dangerous areas. Just 10 days shy of being eligible for the 2018 crop."

Sam Cosentino - SportsNetMay 8th: "Just when you start to sleep on him, he responds with a world-class playoff performance. He’s still going in the QMJHL final, and you’ll see him at the Memorial Cup, too."

Chris Peters - ESPNMay 6th: "Lavoie has shown his ability to bully his way to offense and play a strong, aggressive offensive game."

Hannah Stuart - theScoreMay 1st: "He's another prospect with NHL size, already standing 6-foot-4, and he's quite agile and fast considering. One of the highlights of his game is his quick release, but he's also got the vision to be an effective playmaker."

Sam Conentino - SportsNetApr. 9th: "Has re-entered the conversation by playing the most inspired hockey of his career lately. The timing could not have been better."

Skating

Lavoie is a strong skater for his size. He has a good first step and acceleration, as well as the top end speed to pull away from defenders and create breakaways and odd-man rushes. He also has very good agility and edgework, giving him the ability to beat defenders both with and without the puck. Lavoie is tough to knock off the puck, with excellent balance. He has a wide skating stance, giving him a low centre of gravity. His stride is powerful and he can fight through checks and get to the net. His size also makes him tough to contain in front of the net as well as giving him a big advantage in battles along the boards. Lavoie will need to continue to add muscle to his frame in order to continue to play this style of game going forward.

Raphael Lavoie – NHL Draft Projection

Lavoie is ranked between 15th and 27th by seven NHL Draft prospect ranking services. Some experts had him ranked considerable higher at the start of the 2018-19 season, but his spot on the leaderboard dropped thanks to a mid-season reduction in production. Lavoie missed the 2018 NHL Draft birthday deadline of Sept. 15 by only 10 days. Born on Sept. 25, 2000, Lavoie will be just short of his 19th birthday when he is drafted in Vancouver.
According to Dennis MacInnis, Director of Scouting for ISS Hockey, “Raphael has a great package of size, skating and skill. He has worked hard to improve his consistency and as a result, his confidence has grown and he’s now starting to take his game to the next level. Raphael has a pro-level release on his shot and projects as a top-six forward with offensive upside.”

 

[North]

Are you sure? Last year at least there were few complaints about his skating. Mind you there is the "for his size" qualifier and a guy that big with those hands obviously has some holes or he goes top 10. He has ramped up to a 100pt pace since the trade. Hope he can keep it up.


Towering over opponents at 6’4”, Lavoie is rangy, powerful, and deceptively mobile.
By David St-Louis@RinksideView Apr 14, 2019, 8:00am EDT

But, every year organizations put a few names on their draft boards in hopes that those prospects could use their size effectively in the new NHL environment, as they are not only rangy and powerful, but also mobile.

Raphael Lavoie is one of those names. At 6’4” and 198 pounds, the right-handed shot immediately stands out when he lines up for a faceoff. He towers over opponents and teammates alike and looks like a veteran NHL player who could have escaped to relive some of his Junior days.
More than his size, what makes the prospect exciting is that he is a deceptively good skater. Lavoie has no problem catching up, or even getting ahead of the play. He doesn’t have the fast-twitching legs of his smaller, speedy counterparts, but instead traverses the neutral zone in a few long and powerful strides. Lavoie’s size would be intimidating on its own for defencemen, but having the 6’4’’ forward driving fast and directly at them makes most of them think twice about standing up at the blue line to stop him.

Raphael Lavoie's Player Profile

Cam Robinson - Dobber ProspectsMay 15th: "Powerful forward boasts a deadly release that’s as heavy as it is accurate. Protects the puck well and forces his way into dangerous areas. Just 10 days shy of being eligible for the 2018 crop."

Sam Cosentino - SportsNetMay 8th: "Just when you start to sleep on him, he responds with a world-class playoff performance. He’s still going in the QMJHL final, and you’ll see him at the Memorial Cup, too."

Chris Peters - ESPNMay 6th: "Lavoie has shown his ability to bully his way to offense and play a strong, aggressive offensive game."

Hannah Stuart - theScoreMay 1st: "He's another prospect with NHL size, already standing 6-foot-4, and he's quite agile and fast considering. One of the highlights of his game is his quick release, but he's also got the vision to be an effective playmaker."

Sam Conentino - SportsNetApr. 9th: "Has re-entered the conversation by playing the most inspired hockey of his career lately. The timing could not have been better."

Skating

Lavoie is a strong skater for his size. He has a good first step and acceleration, as well as the top end speed to pull away from defenders and create breakaways and odd-man rushes. He also has very good agility and edgework, giving him the ability to beat defenders both with and without the puck. Lavoie is tough to knock off the puck, with excellent balance. He has a wide skating stance, giving him a low centre of gravity. His stride is powerful and he can fight through checks and get to the net. His size also makes him tough to contain in front of the net as well as giving him a big advantage in battles along the boards. Lavoie will need to continue to add muscle to his frame in order to continue to play this style of game going forward.

Raphael Lavoie – NHL Draft Projection

Lavoie is ranked between 15th and 27th by seven NHL Draft prospect ranking services. Some experts had him ranked considerable higher at the start of the 2018-19 season, but his spot on the leaderboard dropped thanks to a mid-season reduction in production. Lavoie missed the 2018 NHL Draft birthday deadline of Sept. 15 by only 10 days. Born on Sept. 25, 2000, Lavoie will be just short of his 19th birthday when he is drafted in Vancouver.
According to Dennis MacInnis, Director of Scouting for ISS Hockey, “Raphael has a great package of size, skating and skill. He has worked hard to improve his consistency and as a result, his confidence has grown and he’s now starting to take his game to the next level. Raphael has a pro-level release on his shot and projects as a top-six forward with offensive upside.”

The qualifier for his size is the thing. It’s been obvious the skating needs some work. Added to that the compete issues and he fell.

 

[McDNicks17]

Damn. I knew Moncton was good, but not this good. They're on a 20-0-1 streak right now.

Rodrigue is tied for second in SV% for starters in the Q right now.

 

[MuzzaFuzza]

Damn. I knew Moncton was good, but not this good. They're on a 20-0-1 streak right now.

Rodrigue is tied for second in SV% for starters in the Q right now.

Rodrigue has been on a heater for them too.

He's stopped 232 of 246 shots since February 1st for a SV% of .943

Would like to see a Rodrigue vs Lavoie Eastern Conference final in the Q

 

[CycloneSweep]

Rodrigue has been on a heater for them too.

He's stopped 232 of 246 shots since February 1st for a SV% of .943

Would like to see a Rodrigue vs Lavoie Eastern Conference final in the Q

Wonder if he is bitter from not even playing a warm up game at the world Juniors.

 

[GrinningBuddha]

Time for a post-February update for our boys coming up through the system:

Name	League	GP	G	A	P
Raphael Lavoie	QMJHL	52	34	43	77
Aapeli Rasanen	NCAA	32	10	12	22
Skyler Brind'Amour	NCAA	34	4	9	13
Graham McPhee	NCAA	32	5	6	11
Michael Kesselring	NCAA	32	2	3	5
Philip Kemp	NCAA	29	2	6	8
Matthew Cairns	NCAA	19	0	1	1
Jesse Puljujarvi	Liiga	53	23	29	52
Anton Slepyshev	KHL	54	18	27	45
Bogdan Yakimov	KHL	59	9	10	19
Filip Berglund	SHL	49	5	14	19
Maxim Denezhkin	MHL	52	19	25	44
Matej Blumel	Czech	31	4	1	5
Philip Broberg	SHL	42	1	7	8
Markus Niemelainen	Liiga	53	1	6	7
Ostap Safin	ECHL	51	15	18	33

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies:

Name	League	GP	GAA	Sv%	W/L/T
Ilya Konovalov	KHL	40	2.45	.912	14/18/6
Dylan Wells	AHL	7	3.77	.878	0/4/1
Olivier Rodrigue	QMJHL	36	2.43	.915	29/6/1
Shane Starrett	AHL	13	3.71	.872	4/6/1
Stuart Skinner	AHL	40	3.32	.892	16/16/6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[McTonyBrar]

Broberg is having a pretty good year when you compare him to other Swedish NHL D who were prospects in their first SHL year

 

[CycloneSweep]

Broberg is having a pretty good year when you compare him to other Swedish NHL D who were prospects in their first SHL year

Currently 30th in all time scoring for defenders 18 or under. Drops to 35 in ppg.

Hard to project anything based off raw numbers. Goals scored in that league for defenders seems to be a sign of offensive talent. He is tied for 51st in goals with 1. So his offensive ability based on history won't be high in the NHL. All the good ones like Samuelsson, Karlsson, Hedman were all goal scorers.
His numbers seem to be in line with guys like Larsson, Brodin, Shops, Sebastian Aho.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Currently 30th in all time scoring for defenders 18 or under. Drops to 35 in ppg.

Hard to project anything based off raw numbers. Goals scored in that league for defenders seems to be a sign of offensive talent. He is tied for 51st in goals with 1. So his offensive ability based on history won't be high in the NHL. All the good ones like Samuelsson, Karlsson, Hedman were all goal scorers.
His numbers seem to be in line with guys like Larsson, Brodin, Shops, Sebastian Aho.

Klingberg had 0 G 5 A in his first SHL year

 

[CycloneSweep]

Klingberg had 0 G 5 A in his first SHL year

In 26 games.
As a 5th round pick.
He spent 4 years in the SHL before coming over to NA. So yes he did eventually make it and is a great player now but it was a very long process. Made the NHL in his draft +5.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

In 26 games.
As a 5th round pick.
He spent 4 years in the SHL before coming over to NA. So yes he did eventually make it and is a great player now but it was a very long process. Made the NHL in his draft +5.

I don't care if he spends 4 years in the SHL. If Broberg becomes a Klingberg level player we should be very happy.

 

[Skolman]

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Philip Broberg played 20:40 today, 2nd highest on the team.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Philip Broberg played 20:40 today, 2nd highest on the team.

Sounds like he's turning a corner

 

[LaGu]

Currently 30th in all time scoring for defenders 18 or under. Drops to 35 in ppg.

Hard to project anything based off raw numbers. Goals scored in that league for defenders seems to be a sign of offensive talent. He is tied for 51st in goals with 1. So his offensive ability based on history won't be high in the NHL. All the good ones like Samuelsson, Karlsson, Hedman were all goal scorers.
His numbers seem to be in line with guys like Larsson, Brodin, Shops, Sebastian Aho.

If he gets a couple of points in the last two games he'll be top 10!

The separation is so small it's really insignificant.

 

[CycloneSweep]

If he gets a couple of points in the last two games he'll be top 10!

The separation is so small it's really insignificant.

It is pretty small. That's why my point before was that goals seem to matter far more in predicting future NHL production.

Also I got flamed for saying that if Broberg ends up good he will probably be in the NHL in his draft +4 season. Which isn't that odd, Klingberg took 5 years.

 

[fancy dan]

it would be odd, based on their draft positions.