Salary Cap: 2019-20 How Can the Leafs Stay Under The Cap?

[nsleaf]

He's suggesting no cap like the stacked Wings of the late 90's had.

the cap is good for the league and you're being self serving to say the league is better without it just because Toronto has the money to spend.

I get that, what I'm asking is was there ever a time when we saw best of the best, cap or no cap? Agree, the cap is good for the league if the NHL wants this many teams competing which obviously they do.
Good for the players as well, more jobs to choose from.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Dermott, Ozhiganov, Rosen, Holl, Sandin, Liljegren.

But Dermot is top six regular already. Rosen takes Gardiner's place. Ozhiganov takes Hainsey place. Holl isn't an NHLer, Sandin and Liljegren aren't NHL ready.
Fans complain about the competency of the Leafs defence now.. Losing Gardiner and Hainsey are difficult to replace just for playing value, and Zaitsev would mean half your Dman minutes are gone and need to be replaced.

 

[LeafFever]

But Dermot is top six regular already. Rosen takes Gardiner's place. Ozhiganov takes Hainsey place. Holl isn't an NHLer, Sandin and Liljegren aren't NHL ready.
Fans complain about the competency of the Leafs defence now.. Losing Gardiner and Hainsey are difficult to replace just for playing value, and Zaitsev would mean half your Dman minutes are gone and need to be replaced.

Eh, way too early to disqualify them for next season. I would be surprised if Liljegren isn't on the Leafs next season.
Leafs just added Muzzzin and Hainsey is terrible.

 

[kb]

See here:

Offer Sheet Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Compensation on an offer sheet up to $4,059,322 is one second round pick.

If I'm Kappy's agent that's my bottom number where I'm negotiating.

Exactly right. That is why I said the Leafs match everything up to $4.06 million.

 

[kb]

Maybe I misunderstood your post and I apologize if I did. Based on 2018 Cap, up to $4.06, the compensation is only a 2nd round pick, not 1st and 3rd. That number will go up as the Cap rises though and estimates are that the upper limit for a 2nd round pick as compensation will be in the $4.1-$4.2M range for 2019. Right now, a 1st and a 3rd is the compensation for $4.06-$6.09M.

Still, I agree the Leafs will match, just clarifying.

Exactly. The Leafs will match everything up to the compensation level where they get a 1st and a 3rd back, which currently is $4.06 million. At $4.05 million, they match. At $4.07 million, they have a decision to make.

 

[frizzer1]

If cap is an issue, whichever player (Nylander or AJ) brings back the best rate of return goes IMO. Nylander gets you a #3/#4 dman plus and clears $7M in cap space. AJ gets you a #4/#5 dman and should have a team friendly cap hit. If Dubas can find a way to move Z, Marleau and Brown by this summer, there may be no need for this discussion.

The left side is a disaster on this team, so trading Johnsson would be a mistake imo.

 

[frizzer1]

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
Rielly
Andersen



The Leafs will trade anyone else to keep this core intact. Exactly like Chicago did to keep their core intact.

Agreed.
They need all these players if they want to have a chance to win a cup..
Problem of course is that they may need to move out a lot of the rest of them making more than the minimum.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas thinks Matthews is so much better than McDavid he doesn't need a right D next year. The cap savings of no right D on Matthews line went directly to Matthews AAV.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

Exactly right. That is why I said the Leafs match everything up to $4.06 million.

As long as they have the cap space.

 

[kb]

As long as they have the cap space.

They can exceed the cap in the summer by 10%, so they are fine. They just have to become cap compliant by opening day. And they can use off-season LTIR if needed.

 

[sxvnert]

Trade Marleau back to SJ. Retain 2m - Replacement Moore: $775,000 = Cap Savings: $1,675,000
Trade Brown for pick(s) - Replacement Marchment: $767,500 = Cap Savings: $1,332,500
Trade Zaitsev with prospects/picks - Replacement Rosen: $750,000 - Cap Savings: $3,750,000
Total: $6,757,500
--------------------------------------------------------------
Kapanen (3.5)-Matthews (11,634)-Nylander (6,962,366)
Johnsson (3)-JT (11)-Marner (11)
Moore (775K)-Kadri (4.5)-Hyman (2,25)
Marchment (767.5K)-Goat (675K) Engvall (925K)
$56,988,866

Rielly (5) -RHD (5)
Muzzin (4) - Dermott (863,333)
Rosen (750K) - Oz (925K)
$16,538,333

Andersen (5)
Hutchinson (1)
$6,000,000

Kessel (1.2)
Marleau (2)

TOTAL: = $82,727,199

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Trade Zaitsev... not happening

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marleau isn't going to SJS. They don't have the cap space

 

[The Iceman]

4th line literally should be all minimum $$$ players. Ennis type rebound candidates please apply.

 

[Pi]

It's amazing to see people bashing one of the best players in the league who is right up there in P1/60 and A1/60 and is the best even strength goal scorer in the league for getting paid appropriately.

They are also bashing Dubas for signing that deal but here's one thing you all seem to conveniently forget:

The two contracts that will hurt us most next year are Zaitsev and Marleau signed by Lou Lam.

We will never ever have a problem if we pay our stars. The problem always rises when you overpay mediocre talent.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

It's amazing to see people bashing one of the best players in the league who is right up there in P1/60 and A1/60 and is the best even strength goal scorer in the league for getting paid appropriately.

They are also bashing Dubas for signing that deal but here's one thing you all seem to conveniently forget:

The two contracts that will hurt us most next year are Zaitsev and Marleau signed by Lou Lam.

We will never ever have a problem if we pay our stars. The problem always rises when you overpay mediocre talent.

No, we have 4 contracts that will hurt us next year. Zaitsev, Marleau, Matthews, and Nylander. Possibly Marner as well.

Just because a player is "good" doesn't mean they are exempt from being overpaid. The fact that they're "stars" doesn't mean they are exempt from being overpaid. Matthews career high WAS 69 points at signing that contract. Making an argument of: "yeah, but he just got hurt all of the time" supports paying him LESS, not more.

We KNOW Matthews is f***ing amazing when 100% healthy. We KNOW that. So him scoring 6 points int past 2 games is hardly surprising to leaf fan realists.

The problem is that he misses games due to injury all of the time, and when he "plays hurt", he's barely a 1st liner (as proven by his embarassing playoff performance last year, and his play in January this season).

If Matthews was playing at his 100% capacity all 3 years, I'd be cool with $13 mil x 5. But that's clearly not what has happened.

 

[PromoterDave]

Hyman Tavares Marner
Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Johnsson Kadri Nylander
Engvall Gauthier Moore

Rielly Dermott
Muzzin Liljegren
Rosen Holl

Andersen
Sparks

 

[kb]

It's amazing to see people bashing one of the best players in the league who is right up there in P1/60 and A1/60 and is the best even strength goal scorer in the league for getting paid appropriately.

They are also bashing Dubas for signing that deal but here's one thing you all seem to conveniently forget:

The two contracts that will hurt us most next year are Zaitsev and Marleau signed by Lou Lam.

We will never ever have a problem if we pay our stars. The problem always rises when you overpay mediocre talent.

Unfortunately, they are not hearing you.

 

[kb]

As long as they have the cap space.

They can exceed the cap in the summer by 10%, and/or use the summertime LTIR. It just means that Johnsson may be a casualty.

 

[Pi]

No, we have 4 contracts that will hurt us next year. Zaitsev, Marleau, Matthews, and Nylander. Possibly Marner as well.

Just because a player is "good" doesn't mean they are exempt from being overpaid. The fact that they're "stars" doesn't mean they are exempt from being overpaid. Matthews career high WAS 69 points at signing that contract. Making an argument of: "yeah, but he just got hurt all of the time" supports paying him LESS, not more.

We KNOW Matthews is ****ing amazing when 100% healthy. We KNOW that. So him scoring 6 points int past 2 games is hardly surprising to leaf fan realists.

The problem is that he misses games due to injury all of the time, and when he "plays hurt", he's barely a 1st liner (as proven by his embarassing playoff performance last year, and his play in January this season).

If Matthews was playing at his 100% capacity all 3 years, I'd be cool with $13 mil x 5. But that's clearly not what has happened.

Did you know that Hyman has one fewer point in the playoffs in the same amount of games played as McDavid for about 1/6th of the cap hit? I am still taking McDavid in the playoffs though.

Don't be fooled because of one playoff run.

Matthews will likely end the season being only one of 9 active players to be PPG or above. If that's not elite for a guy in his ELC, I really really don't know what is.

 

[Jozay]

Need Marleau and the Leafs to mutually agree to terminate his contract after July 1, like Plekanec and the Habs did this season.

 

[Pi]

Need Marleau and the Leafs to mutually agree to terminate his contract after July 1, like Plekanec and the Habs did this season.

Doesn't work like that because Marleau was 35+ when he signed the contract, Plekanec was not.

 

[Jozay]

Doesn't work like that because Marleau was 35+ when he signed the contract, Plekanec was not.

Yes he was.

 

[PromoterDave]

How to tank

 

[Pi]

Yes he was.

Wow. He was. I guess 35+ only matters for buyouts?

Wonder if Marleau will want to terminate his contract though...if he does he should freaking get a statue lol. He's not that good anymore. Give him a front office role and make up for the money he'll lose by the mutual termination.