Yeah I wasn't disputing those two lol. The other two definitely weren't(icetime numbers aren't right either, although they're close). The "more correct part" also had to do with you just blatantly ignoring that half the guys you listed were deadline acquisitions. They're still losses and Columbus' were devastating without them, but both were good teams before the trade deadline as well, and both still are pretty good teams, especially San Jose who people felt was still a contender. If you only had the sense to just admit that one was a quality win instead of weirdly trying to argue they're not a playoff team, you probably wouldnt have had that much pushback.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is being contrarian. Its even more astonishing considering I'm not the only one, and really, you're coming off as the contrarian. I even conceded your larger point was true in my eyes, that's hardly contrarian. But when you try and make those kinds of arguments, come on, you deserve some pushback.
Like if I merely pointed out that Arizona is a good team that improved on paper and seemed poised to take that next step, or that Detroit has already beaten multiple good teams and has played pretty well, while both are true, I could see how that could be seen as contrarian. But saying that no, San Jose wasn't missing 4 of their best 6 forwards from last year in that game, that's not remotely contrarian. Which, even if it was true, it's still a hilariously dishonest point lol.
You’re being a contrarian because you’re accusing me of being “dishonest” on a matter of opinion. You’re the only one making this a moral failing rather than simply discussing it, and as usual you make an issue of me having a moral failing rather than just disagreeing. There actually wasn’t all that much pushback, and there are those that agree with me too. People disagreeing on a message board. It must be the first time that’s ever happened. If you want to push back, pushback with arguments. Also, look up the definition of “dishonest”, and stop making moral implications about me. If you want to say my facts are wrong, provide your own.
Losing Bobrovsky alone makes Columbus a questionable playoff pick. Losing Panarin iced it. WITH those 4 players they were the last seed in the playoffs, making it in by 2 points after winning 6 of their last 7 games. Their new starting goaltender has a career 0.906 SV%. They’re being picked as a lottery team by oddsmakers and pundits this year. So no, I do not have to refer to it as a win over what I consider a “playoff team”, the burden on you is to show how they ARE with something other than an appeal to the majority.
San Jose has been about as far from good without those 4 players as possible.
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Pavelski 19:03
Hertl 19:01
Couture 18:36
Kane 18:25
Meier 16:58
Nyquist 15:34
Thornton 15: 33
Labanc 14 :01
Donskoi 13:25
I said 1,4,6, and 9. Those numbers appear to be not “close” but “actual’. If you want to play the ESTOI game, they are 1,2,7,8 although in the playoffs then it was actually 1,3,6, and 9, which again is my point of just misstating on Donskoi.
“I’m a good guy, because even though thou art needlessly dishonest, and aren’t helping thineself by being needlessly dishonest, I will point that out to the masses with stinging rhetoric that they might thus be enlightened as to thine moral failings, while magnanimously allowing that the overall premise that thou dost posit might perchance contain a mere kernel of truth, that I shall water with my blessings, while providing no reason for that position to be so other than mine admission, nor other than mine own glorious opinion. So let it be written, so let it be done”.