Prospect Info: 2019 1st Round Pick: Philip Broberg Part 3

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The two of them are neck-and-neck for me as prospects. It comes down to how you value upside vs certainty in my opinion.

One last thing: some posters have mentioned that Broberg and Bouchard could be ideal partners for each other in the future, I don't see it. Their opposite skillsets might seem to complement one another but I think they both need steadier partners to allow them to do their thing.
It is obvious that you don't stick 2 rookies on a pairing together but once they are 24/25, a pairing of Brogberg-Bouchard could be very solid. Bouchard is known for PP Bouch bombs, his elite outlet passes and vision. Broberg for jumping up in the play and his speed. Bouchard doesn't need a stay at home partner to "do his thing".
 

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I haven’t had time to follow how one of my favorite prospects are doing. And, you guys look to be having quite a few pages of discussion about him :laugh:

What does he need to improve on?
What does he excel at?
NHL time table?
 

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It is obvious that you don't stick 2 rookies on a pairing together but once they are 24/25, a pairing of Brogberg-Bouchard could be very solid. Bouchard is known for PP Bouch bombs, his elite outlet passes and vision. Broberg for jumping up in the play and his speed. Bouchard doesn't need a stay at home partner to "do his thing".
I'd say the only issue with Bouchard thus far is his ability to defend. If Broberg is going to jump into the play, someone like - yep, I'm going to say it - Kris Russell staying back helps to maintain the back end. The year Nurse was phenomenal, IIRC, he was with Russell for a majority of the time and Larsson as his secondary linemate.

Bouchard would have to make strides in his own end for me to feel comfortable to have them on a pairing together.
 
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I'd say the only issue with Bouchard thus far is his ability to defend. If Broberg is going to jump into the play, someone like - yep, I'm going to say it - Kris Russell staying back helps to maintain the back end. The year Nurse was phenomenal, IIRC, he was with Russell for a majority of the time and Larsson as his secondary linemate.

Bouchard would have to make strides in his own end for me to feel comfortable to have them on a pairing together.
I’d keep Larsson and go like this in the future with Russell gone

Nurse Bear
Broberg Larsson
Jones Bouchard

(doesn’t mean Bouchard is third pairing just my combinations).
But that leaves the question of where Samorukov
 
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I'd say the only issue with Bouchard thus far is his ability to defend. If Broberg is going to jump into the play, someone like - yep, I'm going to say it - Kris Russell staying back helps to maintain the back end. The year Nurse was phenomenal, IIRC, he was with Russell for a majority of the time and Larsson as his secondary linemate.

Bouchard would have to make strides in his own end for me to feel comfortable to have them on a pairing together.
Have you seen him play this season?
I would be a lot more comfortable with Bouchard in defensive zone than Broberg. Both will naturally improve as the gain experience. Neither Russell nor Larsson will be around by the time these kids are ready for top 4 roles. They will have each other.
 

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Just to address some of the Bouchard vs Broberg talk in the other thread.

I'll say this: despite having watched more of Broberg than Bouchard this year, I still couldn't tell you with any certainty what type of player Broberg will become while I think I can predict Bouchard's NHL career with a fair degree of accuracy. Bouchard strikes me as a guarantee to become a #4D and #1PP QB at the very least. If his skating and defensive game can continue to improve, he has the potential to be a John Carlson-lite defenseman if everything goes right.

I think there's a wider range of scenarios regarding how Broberg will turn out as an NHLer. I do still see some "bust" potential; if he doesn't put it together, he might top out as a 3rd pairing guy that wows you every so often. But I also think he has true #1D potential, whereas Bouchard's weaknesses (depending on how you classify a #1D) probably limit his ability to become a true do-it-all #1D. I think current Miro Heiskanen is a decent comparable for Broberg's ceiling, though I doubt he reaches that level defensively. The point totals don't jump off the stat page but he provides so much value in transition and can create offense single-handedly.

The two of them are neck-and-neck for me as prospects. It comes down to how you value upside vs certainty in my opinion.

One last thing: some posters have mentioned that Broberg and Bouchard could be ideal partners for each other in the future, I don't see it. Their opposite skillsets might seem to complement one another but I think they both need steadier partners to allow them to do their thing.

I think this is a reasonable post. There is no certainty for like 95% of hockey prospects, aka McDavid elite, to reach their potential. I agree with the assessment about Bouchard having a lower floor with elite shot and puck movement he looks pretty solid to play at minimum as a specialized NHL defenseman and one who could be 'protected' on a lower pairing. That said, I think he will become a solid second pairing defender with a solid all zone game helped by his hockey IQ - ability to read and react, move the puck efficiently out of his zone. Still developing the 'urgency' in his game which was maybe a bad habit overplayed at 25+ minutes in junior.

Broberg most definitely has more volatility in his early development and in a professional league against mature competition. His game is driven by elite speed and a natural/instinctive aggressive approach (aka risk taking) in how he plays - this being hockey IQ and decision making which is a big part of whether his floor is second pairing defenseman or possibly first pairing, maybe even a 1D if the brain and his ability to process the game in all situations - offensively and own zone play click in through the player's maturation. There is legitimate question that Broberg will not reach his offensive potential which might limit him to NHL second pairing. His own zone work needs to clean up into consistency. Personally, I think Broberg will develop into a first pairing d-man (2/3) with real world smarts to learn and grow through his mistakes. But there is no certainty.

One 'challenge' I see in today's world of projecting young prospect is the ability to 'see them' in real time and access to reams of highlight videos. Weird to say that but we are able to rise and fall with each amazing play that a prospect makes that affirms our belief in them or downgrade their future when we see a mistake in highlights (sometimes confirmation bias creeps in). This can lead to a bit of a reactive yo yo effect in our 'couch chair' assessment whereby the development process is a longer haul, slow cook. Not a criticism - I LOVE the access technology provides us all in everything - just feel it can lead us to quick, reactive conclusions on occasion that aren't necessarily accurate.

Like both Bouchard and Broberg who give the Oilers two top defense prospects after a decade of ineptitude at this vital position.
 
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Broberg has cooled off points-wise, but he is playing on a team that is not very good at all.
Don't speak about things you have no idea about.
so the proper pronounciation is actually "Broberry"??
No lol. It's Broberj.
Have you seen him play this season?
I would be a lot more comfortable with Bouchard in defensive zone than Broberg. Both will naturally improve as the gain experience. Neither Russell nor Larsson will be around by the time these kids are ready for top 4 roles. They will have each other.
Bouchard plays in a league comparable to the ECHL. The SHL is on par with the AHL and the top 6 SHL teams would beat every AHL team in a 7 game series.
 

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Don't speak about things you have no idea about.

No lol. It's Broberj.

Bouchard plays in a league comparable to the ECHL. The SHL is on par with the AHL and the top 6 SHL teams would beat every AHL team in a 7 game series.
I will make a note on that (from my point of view of course).
This does not mean that Broberg is better or above Bouchard in the prospects ranking. Bouchard is doing great and deserves his place at the top of the Oilers prospect ranking imo, but it is very difficult to use play in hockeyallsvenskan vs play in SHL as a measure. They are just too far apart in quality.

I have said this before, but I honestly think it is too bad that Bouchard could not play in the SHL this season. Not because it would be easier to compare with Broberg (because who cares, both are great prospects), but because he is a bit too good for hockeyallsvenskan imo. I know this is about keeping warm until the NA hockey gets going, but man if we are talking Feb or later start for the NHL I think it was a wasted opportunity not to have him play with/against much better players.
 
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Don't speak about things you have no idea about.

No lol. It's Broberj.

Bouchard plays in a league comparable to the ECHL. The SHL is on par with the AHL and the top 6 SHL teams would beat every AHL team in a 7 game series.

Unless they had to play in a North American rink... Pretty sure that would change the landscape (pun intended) for which league would beat the other considerably.
 

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No, no it wouldnt.
20 years ago yes, and for a handful of specialised players players still. But I think most, probably all SHL players could play in the AHL. SHL pays a bit better iirc (depends if you have an NHL contract of course).

Anyhow, these days almost every player and coach has had experience on both big and small ice. I think the best SHL teams are better than all AHL teams, but the worst SHL teams are worse than all AHL teams.

.... anyhow again, sorry for going off topic :rolleyes:
 

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This chart says Nurse is only worth 0.9m a year?

edit - looks like that -4.7 is both years so hes making 2.35m too much a year.

Either way that chart is saying Jones should be getting paid more than Nurse, that says all you need to know on how bad that chart is.

Khaira should be paying the oilers 900k to play for them too apparently.



This is somewhat accurate IMO
 
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Pointless in 3 straight games and -5 in that stretch. Last played on Thursday in a 3-4 SO loss to Färjestad where he logged 20:58 minutes.

Hope he can have a big WJC, come back confident and tear up the 2nd half of the season.
 

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Pointless in 3 straight games and -5 in that stretch. Last played on Thursday in a 3-4 SO loss to Färjestad where he logged 20:58 minutes.

Hope he can have a big WJC, come back confident and tear up the 2nd half of the season.
Yeah his counting numbers aren't too pretty. I do think, like the team as a whole, his performances have been better than the hard results though. The team is sporting the league's second worst PDO, only Frölunda is worse with both teams around 97. Broberg himself is sporting a PDO of 92.24 which is mainly driven by a 86.39 OISV% and I do think that matches what you see on the ice, he's not really getting the bounces in either direction thus far. Still, a player always have to own his on ice results since goals are what matters everything else is just signal but there’s certainly room for some positive correction during the second half.

Didn't see his last showing but the coach seems to have liked his game despite two GAs since he was second on the team in ice-time. Hopefully he hits the world juniors running!
 

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Pointless in 3 straight games and -5 in that stretch. Last played on Thursday in a 3-4 SO loss to Färjestad where he logged 20:58 minutes.

Hope he can have a big WJC, come back confident and tear up the 2nd half of the season.
Well, I mean in the last 6 he's pointless in 3, but he has a point in the other 3.
1 G 2 A in last 6 GP.
Considering this I prefer to listen to people watching him, because right now that stat line means very little to anyone other than the-usual-suspect.
 

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In the last 6 he's pointless in 3, but he has a point in the other 3.
1 G 2 A in last 6 GP.
Considering this I prefer to listen to people watching him, because right now that stat line means very little to anyone other than the-usual-suspect.
Snapped his pointless streak today with an assist. Solid but not amazing game overall. I'll say this anyone saying his skating is only elite straight forward, which I've seen thrown around, needs new glasses. Holy the guy can move, jad a sequence where he was skating backwards, in like a nanosec he took a couple of quick steps laterally from pretty much mid ice to close a gap by the boards on the defensive blue line, stick checked the puck lose and then used his edges and the speed he still had going to start moving up the ice and join the attack. Just wow.
 

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Snapped his pointless streak today with an assist. Solid but not amazing game overall. I'll say this anyone saying his skating is only elite straight forward, which I've seen thrown around, needs new glasses. Holy the guy can move, jad a sequence where he was skating backwards, in like a nanosec he took a couple of quick steps laterally from pretty much mid ice to close a gap by the boards on the defensive blue line, stick checked the puck lose and then used his edges and the speed he still had going to start moving up the ice and join the attack. Just wow.
That would be from the usual suspect :laugh:

Anyhow, all I am saying was that 3 games does not make a pointless-streak. Maybe for McDavid it does, but not for a SHL D-man.

Thanks for the feedback, you saw the game right?
 

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That would be from the usual suspect :laugh:

Anyhow, all I am saying was that 3 games does not make a pointless-streak. Maybe for McDavid it does, but not for a SHL D-man.

Thanks for the feedback, you saw the game right?
Yep, saw the whole game. Pretty entertaining, eleven goals.
 
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Pointless in 3 straight games and -5 in that stretch. Last played on Thursday in a 3-4 SO loss to Färjestad where he logged 20:58 minutes.

Hope he can have a big WJC, come back confident and tear up the 2nd half of the season.
People forget he’s a 19 year old playing in a tough pro league. He can have bad games just like every other human.

it’s funny how Aerchon liked that post
 
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