Red Sox/MLB 2018 REGULAR SEASON - The Price Is Wrong

[EverettMike]

Lot of tiresome old garbage in here that I don't care about.

The "stat guys" already won. Literally. The Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Astros all won titles.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

You piece of ****.

Now THAT would be good sports radio.

 

[chizzler]

Yeah, why use numbers that actually matter and are quantifiable when you can take amalgams of numbers, add in some subjectivity, and then draw your conclusions?

Let me ask you a question though. Billy Beane is universally accepted as one of the earlier adopters of sabermetrics, right? How many World Series titles has he amassed in his GM career? I'll wait for your answer...

Too funny. I had the same discussion yesterday.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Lot of tiresome old garbage in here that I don't care about.

The "stat guys" already won. Literally. The Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Astros all won titles.

Pretty sure this could be said about most of the threads here...and yet people keep coming back

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Lot of tiresome old garbage in here that I don't care about.

The "stat guys" already won. Literally. The Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Astros all won titles.

yeah, not like those teams had any traditional power hitters racking up RBI's...right?

Manny, Ortiz, Pujols, Berkman, Rizzo, Bryant

OBP doesn't mean squat without the power hitters to drive them in. What you like to conveniently forget is all those "moneyball" teams that won still had the old school power hitters in the 3/4 spots driving everyone else in.

 

[LSCII]

Lot of tiresome old garbage in here that I don't care about.

The "stat guys" already won. Literally. The Sox, Cubs, Cardinals, Astros all won titles.

So those teams don't have scouts anymore? They all only employ statisticians who never actually see the guys they're rating play the sport??

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

even worse...how many playoff series wins did his teams have? the answer is ZERO. a Beane built team has never won a playoff series.

Wrong.

 

[LSCII]

yeah, not like those teams had any traditional power hitters racking up RBI's...right?

Manny, Ortiz, Pujols, Berkman, Rizzo, Bryant

OBP doesn't mean squat without the power hitters to drive them in. What you like to conveniently forget is all those "moneyball" teams that won still had the old school power hitters in the 3/4 spots driving everyone else in.

Right. And the Sox weren't looking to add a HR hitter to their lineup after a complete power outage last season. They were simply looking for a guy with a good Slugging % and JDM fit the bill....

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

So those teams don't have scouts anymore? They all only employ statisticians who never actually see the guys they're rating play the sport??

One of the biggest misconceptions about stats driven front offices is that it replaces scouts. Only one of those groups feels like it doesn't need the other.

 

[LSCII]

One of the biggest misconceptions about stats driven front offices is that it replaces scouts. Only one of those groups feels like it doesn't need the other.

I'm a big believer in a hybrid approach. Crunch the numbers, know all the details, but then use those stats as a guide when you're scouting the players actually play the sport.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Wrong.

Won one series.

 

[LouJersey]

So those teams don't have scouts anymore? They all only employ statisticians who never actually see the guys they're rating play the sport??

scouts, stats, whatever, baseball kind of sucks at times now. Seems like walk, strikeout, fly out or homerun. Lots of man 0n 2nd no out, runner stranded. been watching more teams this year because mine is terrible once again, and it just lacks juice overall. Play-offs will still be amazing though.

 

[LSCII]

scouts, stats, whatever, baseball kind of sucks at times now. Seems like walk, strikeout, fly out or homerun. Lots of man 0n 2nd no out, runner stranded. been watching more teams this year because mine is terrible once again, and it just lacks juice overall. Play-offs will still be amazing though.

It ain't going to get any better once they dump DeGrom and Syndergaard too. Yikes. Has to suck being a Mets fan.

 

[LouJersey]

It ain't going to get any better once they dump DeGrom and Syndergaard too. Yikes. Has to suck being a Mets fan.

Supposedly keeping them now, since they have a 3 headed GM lol...only the Mets.

Been watching a lot of Sox since they are always on MLB and yes, I am watching some Yankees, you just can't help but marvel at that lineup.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

Supposedly keeping them now, since they have a 3 headed GM lol...only the Mets.

Been watching a lot of Sox since they are always on MLB and yes, I am watching some Yankees, you just can't help but marvel at that lineup.

It's going to look a lot less marvelous over the next 10 days without Torres and Sanchez. Boston plays Kansas City, Texas, and Toronto between now and the break, they have a chance to put a few games between themselves and the Yankees before the deadline.

 

[EverettMike]

The people who hate analytics the most understand it the least.

Which makes sense I guess.

they also tend to ignore that every MLB team now has a large analytics department, and the most successful teams were way ahead of the curve on that.

 

[EverettMike]

scouts, stats, whatever, baseball kind of sucks at times now. Seems like walk, strikeout, fly out or homerun. Lots of man 0n 2nd no out, runner stranded. been watching more teams this year because mine is terrible once again, and it just lacks juice overall. Play-offs will still be amazing though.

This is something I actually agree with. I'd like to see more balls in play/less strikeouts.

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

This is something I actually agree with. I'd like to see more balls in play/less strikeouts.

You can fix that in one league by implementing the DH, haha.

I tend to agree though. Statistically I understand the value of walks and strikeouts from a pitcher standpoint. But as a former player, I HATED games where it was 3-2 count, strikeout, 3-2 count, walk. Pick off throw, pick off throw. 3-2 count, strikeout.

 

[LouJersey]

It's going to look a lot less marvelous over the next 10 days without Torres and Sanchez. Boston plays Kansas City, Texas, and Toronto between now and the break, they have a chance to put a few games between themselves and the Yankees before the deadline.

Yanks win the next seven straight.

 

[LouJersey]

You can fix that in one league by implementing the DH, haha.

I tend to agree though. Statistically I understand the value of walks and strikeouts from a pitcher standpoint. But as a former player, I HATED games where it was 3-2 count, strikeout, 3-2 count, walk. Pick off throw, pick off throw. 3-2 count, strikeout.

I'm not a huge fan of the shift either. It's funny all my sports have changed and not for the better (sounding like my dad)

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

Yanks win the next seven straight.

There are 2 Sonny Neagle starts in that stretch Lou.

 

[LouJersey]

There are 2 Sonny Neagle starts in that stretch Lou.

lol he's good on the road tho. I miss the neagle, pavano, brown, whitson, Jared wright days

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The people who hate analytics the most understand it the least.

Which makes sense I guess.

they also tend to ignore that every MLB team now has a large analytics department, and the most successful teams were way ahead of the curve on that.

other way around.

those that understand analytics the most realize it isnt the end all be all, and that analytics can lie.

and ftr, my career is a data analyst (data mining, analysis and reporting)

 

[BiggioRainesHOF]

lol he's good on the road tho. I miss the neagle, pavano, brown, whitson, Jared wright days

They signed Pavano and Wright when Carlos Beltran wanted to hand them a discount. The thought of that offseason turns me into Frank Costanza every time.

 

[JRull86]

Boston is going to get Harper, the Yankees are going to sign Betts when Boston doesn't extend him.

This would be a disaster.

Betts is a much better player than Bryce Harper, who is one of the most overrated players in sports, let alone baseball.