OT: 2018 Phillies

[Hiesenberg]

So the Phils have 2 good pitchers. I think they can win 1 or 2 out of every 3 the other 3 slobs throw, and if any of those 3 figure it out, because all 3 have terrific pitches, the Phils might make some noise.

 

[Halladay]

Great signing.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Great signing.

I agree. The guy is a horse who can only help this team. If Franco can finally put it together this could be one heck of a season. I just cannot wait for Scott to be our everyday second baseman.

 

[Sombastate]

I have to be honest, with my personal life, the Eagles and the Flyers chasing the playoffs, i've been extremely ignorant to the baseball off-season, which isn't typical.

What do the Phils look to roll-out this year as far as roster is going? Which of the kids are gonna be in the show?

 

[Hurricane28]

Sign Alex Cobb 1 year 15 million. Thats a legitimate rotation

 

[Hiesenberg]

I have to be honest, with my personal life, the Eagles and the Flyers chasing the playoffs, i've been extremely ignorant to the baseball off-season, which isn't typical.

What do the Phils look to roll-out this year as far as roster is going? Which of the kids are gonna be in the show?

I don't think they'll have any new prospects this year. Just a heavier usage of guys they called up. Lineup looks like this:

Hernandez
Herrera
Crawford
Santana
Hoskins
Williams/Altherr
Alfaro
Franco

**that's not a real lineup, just throwing the players out**

That line up could do damage, when Franco is the worst hitter, that bodes well.

Also, Kinger will be up at some point.

Rotation should be: Nola/Arrieta/Velasquez/Eickhoff/Pivetta (maybe somebody else)

Pen was upgraded with Hunter and Neshak back.

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

Sign Alex Cobb 1 year 15 million. Thats a legitimate rotation

I was gonna say love the deal today but get cobb, was hoping for lynn

 

[Adam Warlock]

See Ron...this signing is what adding GOOD veteran presence to a young team looks like.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Love love love this signing. I wanted them in on him from day one. Psyched about this .I don't think they make the playoffs this year but I think this helps next year and will help with the youth as well. Plus if they are far out of it he could get a nice return if he's playing well.

If Franco rebounds and Hoskins plays like he did last year the offense is going to be good as well with the addition of Santana.

 

[deadhead]

Klentak only wanted Arrieta on a 3 year deal (Hextall faces the same issue, resigning your good young players down the road).
Arrieta is a question mark, velocity has fallen off, but he had a strong second half even with his lower velocity.
Which means he'll probably be good at age 32 in 2018, but probably not at age 35 in 2021.
So Klentak is only on the hook for three years, during which the payroll should be well below the salary cap.

Nola, Arrieta and a bunch of talented question marks.
This just increases the odds, they have six young SP for three slots (and Leiter is a lock for #6/LR):
Pivetta, Velasquez, Eflin, Eickhoff, Lively and Thompson.

The lineup is solid, and Kingery should be up in a couple months, which means a Hernandez trade is likely at some point.
Franco will get one last shot at 3B, and they'll live with Alfaro's growing pains at C.

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

Love love love this signing. I wanted them in on him from day one. Psyched about this .I don't think they make the playoffs this year but I think this helps next year and will help with the youth as well. Plus if they are far out of it he could get a nice return if he's playing well.

If Franco rebounds and Hoskins plays like he did last year the offense is going to be good as well with the addition of Santana.

kingery will be up to anytime after april 13 phils get 1 more year of control

 

[Jtown]

Arrieta has only made 33 million dollars in his career. Why sometimes athletes are over paid , sometimes in sports like baseball and football these guys are severely underpaid.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Arrieta has only made 33 million dollars in his career. Why sometimes athletes are over paid , sometimes in sports like baseball and football these guys are severely underpaid.

He wasn’t really good most of his career though. He didn’t break out until his late 20’s with Chicago.

 

[Jtown]

He wasn’t really good most of his career though. He didn’t break out until his late 20’s with Chicago.

Right but still he was a big time prospect that has won a cy young

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

kingery will be up to anytime after april 13 phils get 1 more year of control

I'm not so sure they bring him up right away. It seems like they are fine with Hernandez at 2B. If he gets hurt or slumps he's getting the call, but unless they deal Hernandez I don't think it's a given that he comes up right away.

 

[Protest]

I'm not so sure they bring him up right away. It seems like they are fine with Hernandez at 2B. If he gets hurt or slumps he's getting the call, but unless they deal Hernandez I don't think it's a given that he comes up right away.

Which is stupid, just like Tommy Joespeh blocking Hoskins was stupid.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Except Hernandez is actually good.

 

[deadhead]

Joseph didn't really block Hoskins, Hoskins was a 5th rd pick who had a good minor league career, but as Cozens shows, hitter stats at Reading are fluff - you don't know if they're ML ready until they perform at Lehigh.

Kingery is playing different positions in ST so they can get him PT in the short-run, he's a potential gold glove 2B, but was an OF in college before he was converted, so he could probably be a top flight CF. Problem is he lacks the arm for 3B.

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

Neil Walker going to the Yankees, the rich get richer

 

[montreal]

Not a huge fan of the deal as I wonder what this means for the young arms but at the same time it's good to have a solid vet to help said young arms. They still need to pull off a quantity for quality type trade to free up some spots in the minors at some point.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

What does everyone see as the rotation this year?

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Which is stupid, just like Tommy Joespeh blocking Hoskins was stupid.

Without getting too deep into the Tommy Joseph/Hoskins situation, I think that this situation is at least a little different. I'm not a big fan of Hernandez, but he has at least established himself as a good MLB second baseman. Joseph put up solid numbers his rookie year and didn't really improve them the following year. Hernandez has had back to back years of good production and fielding and earned that spot. Joseph I think was more hoping he would turn into the guy they wanted him to be.

What does everyone see as the rotation this year?

Nola/Arrieta/Velaszquez/Eickhoff for sure. Fifth starter could be a number of guys (Pivetta? Thompson? Leiter?). I just hope it isn't Adam Morgan. Too bad they don't have a lefty they could stick in there somewhere.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Right but still he was a big time prospect that has won a cy young

Yeah & he didn’t do that until later in his career. The timing didn’t work out for him like it has with perhaps others.

 

[FLYguy3911]

That’s baseball. You get paid for what you did, not what you’re going to do. That’s why teams don’t give up prospects.

 

[Hurricane28]

Kingery can play 3rd, when Franco inevitably fails. Dude has no plate discipline and no situational awareness.