That sounds low, no? Giradi is a third pairing guy (on paper) and got 3, so I would expect Stralman to get more than 3.5? (though I would love a 3.5 deal, two year deal!)
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I'm hoping Stralman takes a bit of a discount like Coburn did (although Coburn wasn't going to get any increase or big contract + Stralman is a much better player) Hopefully he gets paid well but doesn't hurt us in any way with the term and money
Todd1a
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Probably too low but two years at a 4.0 avv would probably get it done hopefully
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Try keeping him, but don't overpay, in terms of both AAV and length. Here's how I see our d-men next season:
Hedman-Stralman
McDonagh-Sergachev
Coburn-Girardi
Hedman-Stralman should be a great pairing as always, especially with Hedman not having to carry him the same way he does with Dotchin and Girardi. I think McD and Sergy will compliment each other well. McD is a a great partner for the dynamic but still learning Sergy. What I'm hoping for is that Cal Foote will be ready to join the team in the 19/20 season.
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
I know eklund is bad but he has some flyers sources I hope this rumor is true ! On Wayne Simmonds.... per eklund -
The Flyers expect a lot if they are to trade him, and I do get the sense they could just let him play out the season...I know Edmonton and Toronto would be eager to make this move, but I am also hearing Tampa's name today...That looks like a contingency path should Karlsson fall through.
The Flyers expect a lot if they are to trade him, and I do get the sense they could just let him play out the season...I know Edmonton and Toronto would be eager to make this move, but I am also hearing Tampa's name today...That looks like a contingency path should Karlsson fall through.
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I wouldn't want him for more than a 3 year deal at a decent price. He's the exact type of player we need though so I might be ok with slightly over paying.
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Isn't Simmonds streaky like Killorn? I like his playing style much better though.
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I know SY doesnt like to do rentals but I wouldnt mind him as a rental and then just signing Karlsson in the offseason if that were to work.
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Depends on the return. If it's a 3rd + a B prospect, then sure. I think Philly would demand and likely get at least a 1st.
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Agree. They should be able to get a good return for him. I wonder what SY would be willing to part with for him.
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We don't have enough futures to trade for both Simmonds and Karlsson even as cheap rentals. I mean we might but we'd be back almost to the starting block at the farm and need another 2-3 years to stock up again. At this point it's better to let the season take its course and acquire Karlsson via UFA. We can prove we are the preferred destination, we can prove he wants to come here and we can prove that a few cap moves and we can fit him in.
Wait it out and pull strings during the season i.e Callahan back to NYR as not part of a Karlsson deal. A homecoming would actually benefit both player and organization
Wait it out and pull strings during the season i.e Callahan back to NYR as not part of a Karlsson deal. A homecoming would actually benefit both player and organization
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Yea we wouldnt be able to swing both deals. My thought was go for Simmonds as a rental in the event that we dont get Karlsson. Dont re-sign Simmonds unless we cant get Karlsson in FA next year. I would be down with that plan.
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How are we supposed to resign Simmonds who becomes UFA if we miss on Karlsson? Logistically it doesn't work.
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I actually get it
1. Try for Karlsson via trade at TDL
Don't get Karlsson?
2. Trade for Simmonds at TDL
3. Try for Karlsson again as a UFA and don't re-sign Simmonds if we can get him.
Why do we need Simmonds? He's a RW, we have Kucherov, Johnson and Gourde on the right and they all produced more. On the left only Palat scored less but he missed a bunch of games. Simmonds has had his scoring decline the past two seasons and he's getting older with some injury risks. He's consistently a minus player and gets most of his points on the PP but with us he would be a 2nd unit guy only. The cost to acquire is to high for someone who doesn't make any sense for us unless they're taking Callahan back to make it work capwise.
Not to mention we couldn’t afford to resign him without it costing us a better player (unless Killorn agreed to a trade, and even then we would have better use for that cap space.)
I don't think we do. He doesn't really fit our style of a speed game. It would be nice to add a bit more physical play but he's not an big upgrade over our current top 9 wings. He also hasn't scored a playoff goal in 4 years and has 1 non PP goal in the past three times he was in the playoffs. So he's not even an upgrade in that department.
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He has done a lot of heavy lifting over the years and I think his agent knows how to sell that. I wouldn't expect him to take a paycut, but you never know. I do worry about his declining scoring numbers and shooting percentage though, but even a purely defensive Stralman at the end of his career will likely be a very, very good defender.
The most you could do with Stralman is 2 x 5. If you give him anymore you're in trouble. I looked at a lot of defenders who were signed in the 31-34 age range and a lot of them were bought out by the end of their deal. Orpik, Martin, Seidenberg, Greene. You may say those are some terrible names and nothing like Stralman but those guys all were defensive first guys with little offense which is where Stralman is trending. They were all cup winners too which is why they got the deals they did so if Stralman wins us a cup he can get 3 years.
The one comparison in his favor is Hjalmarsson. Another low scoring defensive first guy who's getting a raise on his next deal which starts when he's 32. But it's just for 2 years and with Arizona who isn't anywhere near the cap so can splash a few extra k to keep a guy around.
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