2018 off-season thread

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  1. Lindberg

    Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    Why on earth would Hextall even consider that possibility?
     
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    How is that bending over backwards?

    It's a singular sentence that has been interpreted 2 different ways.

    Way #1: Hextall is saying he doesn't want to give up long-term for good players, but will for great players (ala Tavares).
    Way #2: HEXTALL ISN'T SPENDING MONEY ON ANYONE OTHER THAN DALE WEISE 2.0

    Which one is more of a backflip, really?

    Note: I only sort of exaggerated Way #2. I've already seen people post similar statements.
     
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    Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    I'd say its the first one. You're implying that Tavares is in the "GREAT" category in Hextall's head. We do know that Tavares is a good (++) player and he said he's not interested in signing a good player to a 7 year deal. How many good players are there to "reach out" to for a 7 year deal?
     
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    I ****ing knew it and I told every one of you.

    **** me.
     
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    If he re-signs Manning, I think we can put to bed the theory that only Hakstol is terrible at evaluating pro talent.
     
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    Way #1 and Way #2 are both exaggerations.

    There's no need to look for hidden meaning in his words.
     
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    Isn't Tavares a Top 10 center? Maybe even Top 5?

    I don't know on what planet Tavares isn't considered great at this moment, truthfully.

    I think it's way more of a leap to assume that Hextall doesn't think he's great.

    There's a ton of "good" players you can offer 7 year deals to. For me personally:

    -I think John Carlson is "good" (very good is more accurate), but not elite or great.
    -Mike Green
    -James Neal
    -JVR
    -Stastny

    These are the ones off the top of my head that I see as "good" and not worth a 7 year deal.

    I can't see where Tavares isn't in the "great" category in Hexy's mind relative to other players in the NHL.
     
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    Chinatown88 Groulx Woo 2018

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    Saw the Hextall interviews.

    Scribes seem to think they could target Stastny as a possible target. Hextall said to be looking at short term type deals on veteran pieces. Possibly 2-3 year deals.

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    How is way #1 an exaggeration? It's an interpretation of words he literally said - nothing was exaggerated..

    Again, this is the real key to finding out what Hextall meant:
    1) What was the question he was answering
    2) What was the rest of Hextall's quote?

    Without that, it's all interpretation.
     
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    If the scribes in Philadelphia think Stastny is a target, then Stastny is most definitely NOT a target.
     
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    Also got the sense Hextall will not be sitting on his hands at the draft and could be aggressive. Scribes also seemed to think they like Dobson.
     
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    Tavares & Carlson are really the only slam dunks to get 7 year deals. Nobody else is really good enough or young enough to command it.

    Guys like Okposo & Kane might not have been as good as those guys but both were younger UFA’s as 27 year olds.
     
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    I don't think Hextall thinks Tavares is a great player, he's not a top twenty scorer nor is he above average defensively, i.e. he's not Crosby or Kopitar.
    When I think "Great" I think at least borderline HOF, Tavares ain't in that category.

    I doubt Manning is returning, Ron already has seven defensemen (Ghost, Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, MacDonald, Gudas, Hagg).
    He'll also have Friedman marinating in Lehigh and Morin returning in the spring.
    If he adds a defenseman, it'll be someone who'll play top four minutes and another defenseman will be dealt.
    If he adds a scrub, it'll be someone he can stash in LHV and recall if needed.

    Add a solid 3C and PK depth and I'm very happy. If you trade Simmonds you also need to add a RW, so I think they'll let him play out his deal.
    I think the top six next year will match up to any team in the league, and Laughton - 3C - Simmonds gives you a solid 3rd line.
     
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    I got a laugh out of this.

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    Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    I think he's great which is why I put the (++) by good.

    You took what I wrote the wrong way. I'm stating that no one knows (at least for this forum) if Hextall has multiple categories in his head, "Excellent", "Great", "Good", "Acceptable", "Bad", and etc..

    Green, Neal, Stastny are on the wrong side of 30 to be getting 7 year deals. I really hope you're right though because I'd like to see a much better roster next year.
     
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    For folks who aren't fans of Hextall, I'll share this because I also think this is funny (despite it poking fun of something I'm not sure is true):

     
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    Hexy better be ready to dance starting next Friday to improve this team or he'll be ****in gona.
     
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    Lindberg Bennyflyers16 get a life

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    @BrindamoursNose

    If Hextall does nothing this offseason how does that sway your opinion? I'll clarify that a bit as well : I mean he doesn't do anything and just stand pat. Everything out there is a bit too expensive for his liking (but actually reasonable). (Cost to sign Tavares, Carlson, trade for E.K. etc.)
     
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    Beef Invictus Baboon Invictus

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    Just say no to Meatpig.
     
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    It'll start to swing my pendulum in the other direction, while not being on the "Fire Hextall" train.

    Considering the assets we have and cap space, I don't see any reason why Hextall won't be getting a significant contributor ala Bozak, Grabner, Stastny on shorter deals. According to tweets I'm seeing, Hextall did say he wants a top-end piece this offseason:

    For example:


    This is the first offseason I believe he's at a point where, strategically, he can add some real muscle to the lineup. If he doesn't add anything, then I will definitely question his acquisition ability.

    I have faith in him and don't flip out because he won't assure myself as a fan that the team is going to go guns-blazing intro free agency and the draft. We've had a gunslinger as a GM way more often than not and it's almost always gotten us disappointing seasons...how about we let this guy see his long-term build plan pay off before we try to murder him?

    So in sum: If he doesn't add something significant this offseason, I will begin to turn on him.
     
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    Oreilly and Dumba here we go. Always trade for pieces then add a small piece in FA. Dobson in the draft and were good to go LOL.
     
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    JojoTheWhale Everything matters.

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    All of that sounds to me like Hextall and Fenton are going to have many conversations.

    If he wants a somewhat vet 7D, I wonder if Oesterle is available. He’d have to be dirt cheap.
     
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