GDT: 2020 HHOF Inductions June 24 - Alfredsson's 4th attempt. Start post #206

[trentmccleary]

This year is Alfie's second year of eligibility. He could be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2018.

He's rated highly vs. his cohort in a lot of different aspects.

Leading Scorers per Draft Half Decade (in order of points, bold indicates HHoF'er with FA's merged into appropriate eligible draft range):

71-75	76-80	81-85	86-90	91-95	96-00	01-05	06-10
1_Dionne	1_Gretzky	1_Francis	1*Jagr	1*Iginla	1*Thornton	1*Ovechkin	1*Kane
2_Trottier	2_Messier	2_Yzerman	2_Sakic	2*Alfredsson	2*Marleau	2*Crosby	2*Backstrom
3_Lafleur	3_Kurri	3_Lemieux	3_Recchi	3*Whitney	3*Hossa	3*Malkin	3*Kessel
4_Stastny	4_Savard	4_Oates	4_Selanne	4*St. Louis	4*H.Sedin	4*E.Staal	4*Toews
5*D.Taylor	5_Gartner	5_Gilmour	5_Modano	5*Kovalev	5*D.Sedin	5*Spezza	5*Stamkos
6_McDonald	6*Nicholls	6_Hawerchuk	6_Shanahan	6*Elias	6*Zetterberg	6*Getzlaf	6*Tavares
7*Middleton	7_Ciccarelli	7_Robitaille	7_Sundin	7_Kariya	7*Lecavalier	7*Kopitar	7*Benn
8_Barber	8_Goulet	8_Hull	8*Turgeon	8*Doan	8*B.Richards	8*Kovalchuk	8*Voracek
9*Maruk	9_Federko	9_Andreychuk	9*Roenick	9*Arnott	9*Datsyuk	9*R.Nash	9*Seguin
10*Lysiak	10_Bossy	10_Nieuwendyk	10*Damphousse	10_Forsberg	10*Tanguay	10*Perry	10*J.Staal
11*Larouche	11_Anderson	11*Verbeek	11*Brind'Amour	11*Naslund	11*Gaborik	12*Bergeron	14*T.Hall
12_Shutt	12_Mullen	12*Bellows	12_Fedorov	12_Lindros	12*Ribiero	13*Pavelski	15*Marchand
13*Paiement	13*B.Smith	13_Lafontaine	13*Fleury	15*Hejduk	13*Heatley	16*Carter	17*Pacioretty
14*McNab	14*D.Hunter	14*Muller	14*Tkachuk	17*Demitra	14*Gomez	21*Wheeler	32*Tarasenko
19_Gillies	15*Larmer	15*Tocchet	24_Bure	26*Palffy	15*O.Jokinen	24*Krejci	33*R.Johansen

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Forwards drafted 1991-2000 top-20 highest scoring forwards & M.St.Louis (players drafted between 1991-2000).

1991-00	GP	G	A	Pts	GPG	PPG
Forsberg	708	249	636	885	0.35	1.25
Lindros	760	372	493	865	0.49	1.14
Kariya	989	402	587	989	0.41	1.00
Datsyuk	953	314	604	918	0.33	0.96
Thornton	1493	397	1030	1427	0.27	0.96
Alfredsson	1246	444	713	1157	0.36	0.93
St.Louis	1134	391	642	1033	0.34	0.91
Zetterberg	1082	337	623	960	0.31	0.89
Hossa	1309	525	609	1134	0.40	0.87
Iginla	1554	625	675	1300	0.40	0.84
B.Richards	1126	298	634	932	0.26	0.83
Elias	1240	408	617	1025	0.33	0.83
H.Sedin	1330	240	830	1070	0.18	0.80
D.Sedin	1306	393	648	1041	0.30	0.80
Whitney	1330	385	679	1064	0.29	0.80
Lecavalier	1212	421	528	949	0.35	0.78
Kovalev	1316	430	599	1029	0.33	0.78
Naslund	1117	395	474	869	0.35	0.78
Arnott	1244	417	521	938	0.34	0.75
Marleau	1493	508	574	1082	0.34	0.72
Doan	1540	402	570	972	0.26	0.63

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Average of 10 Best Unadjusted Seasons [seasons selected by PPG, min. 27GP]
* the lack of adjustments favours Lindros, Forsberg and Kariya. Any adjustment will drop their numbers slightly.

Player	GP	G	A	Pts	GPG	PPG
Forsberg	67	24	61	85	0.37	1.28
Lindros	67	36	46	82	0.54	1.22
Thornton	79	26	65	91	0.33	1.16
Kariya	78	33	51	84	0.42	1.08
Alfredsson	73	30	48	78	0.41	1.07
St. Louis	81	31	55	86	0.39	1.06
Datsyuk	74	27	51	78	0.36	1.05
Iginla	80	39	42	81	0.49	1.02
Hossa	75	34	41	75	0.45	1.00
Zetterberg	73	27	46	73	0.37	1.00
H.Sedin	81	17	63	80	0.21	0.99
D.Sedin	79	29	49	78	0.37	0.99
Elias	71	27	41	68	0.39	0.97
Lecavalier	78	32	42	74	0.41	0.95
B.Richards	77	22	50	72	0.29	0.93
Naslund	80	33	40	73	0.41	0.92
Whitney	74	25	43	68	0.34	0.92
Kovalev	77	29	40	69	0.38	0.91
Arnott	70	27	35	62	0.38	0.88
Marleau	81	32	37	69	0.40	0.86
Doan	78	25	37	62	0.32	0.80

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Total Playoff series and PPG breakdowns of individual series. The last two numbers are percentage of series above 1.00 PPG and below 0.60 PPG.

Player	Series	1.20+	1.00-1.19	.67-.86	.4-.6	0.40<	>1.00 %	<0.60 %
Forsberg	27	12	7	4	1	3	0.704	0.148
Lindros	12	4	3	2	2	1	0.583	0.250
Alfie	24	6	5	6	3	4	0.458	0.292
Zetterberg	24	4	7	5	5	3	0.458	0.333
St.Louis	18	4	4	4	4	2	0.444	0.333
Kovalev	22	3	6	4	6	3	0.409	0.409
Kariya	10	3	1	1	4	0	0.400	0.400
H.Sedin	18	2	5	4	4	3	0.389	0.389
Naslund	8	1	2	0	3	2	0.375	0.625
Iginla	14	2	3	6	2	1	0.357	0.214
Thornton	28	4	6	7	8	3	0.357	0.393
Elias	29	3	7	9	3	7	0.345	0.345
Datsyuk	29	3	7	6	7	6	0.345	0.448
B.Richards	25	3	5	6	4	7	0.320	0.440
Lecavalier	13	2	2	4	2	3	0.308	0.385
Hossa	37	5	6	10	10	6	0.297	0.432
Marleau	31	5	4	7	5	7	0.290	0.387
D.Sedin	18	3	2	5	6	2	0.278	0.444
Arnott	23	0	3	6	7	7	0.130	0.609
Doan	11	1	0	4	2	4	0.091	0.545
Whitney	19	0	1	5	4	9	0.053	0.684

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[Senscore]

The voting committee still has a bunch of former Leafs on it right?

 

[Flamingo]

The voting committee still has a bunch of former Leafs on it right?

They'll still vote him in, but they'll scratch his name out and call him Krusty.

 

[OmniSens]

Would be awesome, I dont think he's in it just yet.

 

[Stylizer1]

His time will come just not anytime soon.

 

[Hutz]

His time will come just not anytime soon.

Oh I think it'll be pretty soon. Maybe not this year, but in the next couple of years.

 

[BonkTastic]

Won't get in on the first ballot. HHOF usually reserves that honour for the cream of the crop.

 

[Hutz]

Won't get in on the first ballot. HHOF usually reserves that honour for the cream of the crop.

No usually not. The one thing that Alfy has going, though is a his eligible class this year. The only first year eligible guy I could see going before Alfy is Teemu Selanne. There are other guys who could well go in, Recchi, Kariya, Andreychuk, but I wouldn't write Alfy off 100%.

 

[edguy]

I think he'll get in..

Selanne
Kariya
Alfredsson
Recchi

 

[The Lewler]

Selanne
Alfredsson
Recchi
???

One of the things Alfredsson has going for him is he is Swedish / Euro and nowadays everyone wants their equality and token diversity.

Which is covered by Selanne this year. But ya.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Ten posts in, and no one does a "...probably not."

Ya'll are slipping.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Would be awfully nice, but I tend to agree – just misses the cut as a first-balloter.

 

[trentmccleary]

First ballot is a baseball HOF Standard, the HHOF doesn't have that issue.

My ballot this year would be;
Selanne
Alfredsson
Recchi
Barrasso

 

[BonkTastic]

First ballot is a baseball HOF Standard, the HHOF doesn't have that issue.

That's absolutely not true.

Pat Burns (among others) is proof of that.

 

[Liliaceae]

Ten posts in, and no one does a "...probably not."

Ya'll are slipping.

Not sure about others but I was busy eating my nachos..

 

[Caeldan]

Sundin was first ballot, so to me Alfie should be too.
I legitimately don't see them as having that different of a career (personally feel Alfie was better, but maybe that's the homer in me).

But as pointed out... probably not.

 

[vdB]

Sundin was first ballot?

Well then, **** that noise. Alfie is getting in today for sure.

 

[trentmccleary]

I think that the stronger argument is pointing out how he did against players he was drafted with, who faced the same dead puck era issues... not guys with inflated stats who played a bunch of years from 1981-1995.

Sort some of the tables at the top of the page to see how high Alfredsson ranks in every measure. There really aren't many that he isn't top-5 in. The league inducts an average of about 1.5 forwards a year. They would have to completely ignore that entire decade to leave Alfredsson out.

I ran this for something else, but it's crazy to look at:

Player|30+G|70+pts|0.50GPG|1.00PPG|T-20 Selke|T10 G|T10Pts|0.50GPG PO|1.00PPG PO
Alfie|4|10|2|8|5|3|3|5|6
Sedins|4|15|1|7|0|1|6|1|7

Playoffs
Alfredsson = 124-51-49-100, 0.41 GPG, 0.81 PPG
Both Sedins = 207-48-101-149, 0.23 GPG, 0.72 PPG

Olympics
Alfredsson = 26-13-14-27, 0.50 GPG, 1.04 PPG
Both Sedins = 30-6-12-18, 0.20 GPG, 0.60 PPG

 

[Flamingo]

Not sure about others but I was busy eating my nachos..

Good one. Funny enough for a Johnny Carson golf swing, or an Alfie fake stick-toss.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Seven people inducted.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

 

[trentmccleary]

Maybe next year. It shouldn't be a long wait.

Congrats on all inductees.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Kariya over Alfredsson is a little odd

 

[pepty]

I understand why Alfie might not be a first a ballot winner-but that Sundin, who never even get his team into the Finals and never won any hardware for himself or his team - is a first ballot winner.

I think we know the answer.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Lol not surprised. What a joke, Recchi, Kariya and Andreychuk over Alfredsson. The Toronto media continues to hate him.