Almost August which means almost September which means almost training camp which means almost October which means almost hockey season
Yay
I can see us and the Canes on a deal.
They want Kapanen due to his paps playing there. I just wouldn't want Faulk back in the deal. He's not the defender we would need. Unless of course the Leafs can convince them to take Gardiner in the deal along with Kapanen and we make it a blockbuster where to defenders come back to us on the right side.
Kapanen, Gardiner, Bracco and Carrick plus 2nd Round Pick
for
Faulk and Pesce
Reilly-Pesce
Dermott-Faulk
Hainsey-Zaitsev
The odds of Carolina trading Faulk and Pesce in the same deal are as low as (insert scenario with extremely low odds)I can see us and the Canes on a deal.
They want Kapanen due to his paps playing there. I just wouldn't want Faulk back in the deal. He's not the defender we would need. Unless of course the Leafs can convince them to take Gardiner in the deal along with Kapanen and we make it a blockbuster where to defenders come back to us on the right side.
Kapanen, Gardiner, Bracco and Carrick plus 2nd Round Pick
for
Faulk and Pesce
Reilly-Pesce
Dermott-Faulk
Hainsey-Zaitsev
I'd prefer Pesce, but that won't happen without adding a bigger piece. I know people are split on Tanev, but could a three team deal be done? Something like,
To Car:Brown and Marincin and Sparks
To Vancouver: Justin Faulk
To Toronto: Chris Tanev
Try to sell the Canucks on Faulk's offense, which the Canucks don't have a lot of on the backend?
I don't foresee any more deals going into the season. What's perceived to be in the trade market doesn't really interest me.
I think we ride the season out with Gardiner and then he leaves in FA. Gardiner can get overpaid elsewhere. Even though they play different sides, I think Liljegren takes over next season
I'd prefer Pesce, but that won't happen without adding a bigger piece. I know people are split on Tanev, but could a three team deal be done? Something like,
To Car:Brown and Marincin and Sparks
To Vancouver: Justin Faulk
To Toronto: Chris Tanev
Try to sell the Canucks on Faulk's offense, which the Canucks don't have a lot of on the backend?
Definitely. I'd actually be really cool with targeting Faulk.I would rather have Faulk than Tanev.
Yeah, he has certainly been very sheltered in Carolina, at least in terms of where they liked to start him. He would be a huge replacement on Hainsey, and getting some skill in that spot is exactly what we should be looking for. Don't get me wrong, he's not my ideal partner for Rielly long-term or anything, but he's only 26, and if he could be acquired for cheap, I would think we'd offer a solid environment to finish up his development into a more well-rounded defenseman.Isn't Faulk one of the most overrated defensemen in the NHL though? Like he's got great possession numbers but is actually a terrible defenseman. Similar to Gardiner, but a lot worse.
I remember reading an article about that. He's like one of the worst when it comes to giving up high danger quality shots and stuff like that.
Not exactly the type of guys the Leafs should be looking at acquiring. Need less guys like Gardiner (in terms of his shortcomings), not worse versions of them.
Isn't Faulk one of the most overrated defensemen in the NHL though? Like he's got great possession numbers but is actually a terrible defenseman. Similar to Gardiner, but a lot worse.
I remember reading an article about that. He's like one of the worst when it comes to giving up high danger quality shots and stuff like that.
Not exactly the type of guys the Leafs should be looking at acquiring. Need less guys like Gardiner (in terms of his shortcomings), not worse versions of them.
I can see us and the Canes on a deal.
They want Kapanen due to his paps playing there. I just wouldn't want Faulk back in the deal. He's not the defender we would need. Unless of course the Leafs can convince them to take Gardiner in the deal along with Kapanen and we make it a blockbuster where to defenders come back to us on the right side.
Kapanen, Gardiner, Bracco and Carrick plus 2nd Round Pick
for
Faulk and Pesce
Reilly-Pesce
Dermott-Faulk
Hainsey-Zaitsev
I'd prefer Pesce, but that won't happen without adding a bigger piece. I know people are split on Tanev, but could a three team deal be done? Something like,
To Car:Brown and Marincin and Sparks
To Vancouver: Justin Faulk
To Toronto: Chris Tanev
Try to sell the Canucks on Faulk's offense, which the Canucks don't have a lot of on the backend?
Carolina will want a lot more back, than a 3rd/4th liner, and two AHL players.
Love it for us, but can't see Canes ever offering this.
Carolina will want a lot more back, than a 3rd/4th liner, and two AHL players.
Fair point, first stab at it. Replace Brown with Kapanen and I disagree with your take on Sparks. I think he's a very intriguing prospect for a large number of teams. I'm fine with the take on Marincin, probably wouldn't be interested in taking a D back anyway. It would have to be a first round pick then. Kapanen/2019 1st/Sparks, is a lot more attractive offer. One I'd still do, even though I would still try to flip Faulk for Tanev.
If you had a choice between Faulk, and Tanev, you'd probably keep Faulk. More about games expected to be played, than player.
Tanev's price should be a 1st and 2nd (conditional), much less than Faulk... and to be honest, I still don't see them being interested in the package you are offering.
I'd prefer Pesce, but that won't happen without adding a bigger piece. I know people are split on Tanev, but could a three team deal be done? Something like,
To Car:Brown and Marincin and Sparks
To Vancouver: Justin Faulk
To Toronto: Chris Tanev
Try to sell the Canucks on Faulk's offense, which the Canucks don't have a lot of on the backend?
If you had a choice between Faulk, and Tanev, you'd probably keep Faulk. More about games expected to be played, than player.
Tanev's price should be a 1st and 2nd (conditional), much less than Faulk... and to be honest, I still don't see them being interested in the package you are offering.
May need to add Sparks or Pickard in deal but could be completed and I wouldn't call it lopsided at all.