I would bet on Rosen. I think Darnold will be an average one, which will be an amazing thing for Cleveland anyway.
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If you don’t think any of these QBs are franchise level, then you trade the pick and get a bushel of additional picks. There’s not enough value in taking a RB at 2.
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Maybe the Giants only like Darnold and are convinced the Browns will take him (and if I had to wager a guess, I'd say they will)
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Exactly...if I’m at 2 and I don’t think the QB is franchise level, then I want an elite pass rusher or a LT that will anchor my O-line for a decade.
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Solid #3 or so for me behind Guice and Barkley. I deathly want Guice on our squad.
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Wouldn't be surprised if Guice isn't there in 2nd. Late 1st i think someone grabs him.
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Change is good.
Why would the Browns give anything to move up from 4 to 2 when they already have 1? Jets are taking a QB and Giants are either taking a QB or trading back to a team that will. Anything else would be a complete shock — and even if the Giants do select Barkley/Chubb, that means TWO of the four QBs are left at 4, making the pick worth that much more in a deal.
Browns are selecting their QB #1 — followed by either the best non-QB in the draft, the 2nd best non-QB in the draft, or a trade back at #4.
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The thought process for some is that the Browns will want to secure that they get Barkley and they have like 700 picks.
The Jets signing Pryor is a really good move, and I don't even like Pryor that much. They need another receiver with Anderson likely facing suspension, and they also need another deep threat because of that. And then when Anderson is back, Kearse-Enunwa-Pryor-Anderson is a good quartet. Maybe no stars (who knows if Anderson can grow up and become one), but those are four guys that can catch the football.
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McCaffrey was a pretty damn good pick assuming he keeps building off of last year.
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So that they can get the best QB and the best overall talent in the draft in Barkley.... They have more than enough picks to move up and I'm sure their fans would appreciate the FO being aggressive at the draft rather than letting other teams step over them to draft franchise guys. The Browns have mad a lot of moves this offseason if I'm the new regime moving up and having the first two picks in this draft is a great way to start the future of the team.
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Maybe its me being too much of a fan and not thinking what's best longterm but I'd love to see the Giants get Barkley. Giants with RBs in my lifetime are like the Rangers with forwards; they've had some good ones, but never an elite game breaker or top 3 in the league. Joe Morris, OJ Anderson, Dave Meggett, Rodney Hampton...all the way to Earth, Wind, and Fire. The last time they had an elite one was...Frank Gifford?
The chance to get a guy who could be as good as Marcus Allen and maybe Barry Sanders, doesn't happen too often.
I don't think any of these QBs based on reports, media enthusiasm, and quotes from personnel evaluators scream class of 1983 or 2004. I'd rather have an absolute beast stud RB. If the Giants are going to spend a few years stinking and rebuilding, they'll have a shot at a better QB, but Barkley and a halfway decent OLine (and just general health) may make them in play for the NFC East again this year.
The chance to get a guy who could be as good as Marcus Allen and maybe Barry Sanders, doesn't happen too often.
I don't think any of these QBs based on reports, media enthusiasm, and quotes from personnel evaluators scream class of 1983 or 2004. I'd rather have an absolute beast stud RB. If the Giants are going to spend a few years stinking and rebuilding, they'll have a shot at a better QB, but Barkley and a halfway decent OLine (and just general health) may make them in play for the NFC East again this year.
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I AM a Browns fan. Have been since Brian Sipe and the Kardiac Kids.
I assume you're a Giants fan? Because that deal makes a LOT more sense for your team than it does for mine – as the Jets' trade up to #3OA pretty much carved it in stone that the top of the draft would play out as follows:
1) Browns: QB
2) Giants (or BUF/DEN/ARZ in a trade): QB
3) Jets: QB
4) Browns: BPA (or trade back)
Why?
1) The deal ensures that if the Browns wait to draft their QB (and after 20 years without one, there is no doubt they are drafting one), they risk getting their second or even third choice. Hence #1OA (which was likely to be a QB anyway) will now definitely be a QB.
2) Meanwhile, it also ensures that if the Giants want a QB, they have to stay where they are, otherwise, they risk getting at best their fourth choice (or much more likely, missing out on the current class entirely).
3) And if the Giants (foolishly, IMO) decide they can hold off on drafting Eli's replacement, it likewise means that any other team that wants a QB has to deal with the Giants – or they then risk getting their fourth choice/missing out on the current crop entirely.
Sure, from a Giants' fan's perspective it would be nice to say "ooh, give us a haul to move up two spots or you risk losing Barkley" so you can con us out of a bunch of additional draft picks and still get your QB (presuming you see no real difference between the #2 and #3 guys, and are happy to let your crosstown rivals get the first pick of the two, which I find dubious) – but it's an easy bluff to call given the above. Either you love a QB and are going to stick where you are to pick him, or you are willing to wait another year or two, in which case a BUF/DEN/ARZ is going to offer you a king's ransom to be able to move up and take him in your place.
No matter which way you go, the Browns are sitting pretty at #4, because the first three picks WILL be QBs.
The real question, IMO, is whether, after the above plays out, the Browns then trade back with one of the teams that misses out on the first 3 QBs, desperate to get the 4th of the top 4.
EDIT: I should also add that while I personally love Barkley, the new Browns' GM, Dorsey, has a long and established track record of not drafting RBs in the 1st round.
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The real question no one is asking... does Paul DePodesta allow the Browns to draft an RB at 1OA or 4OA? Because all the research seems to imply that drafting an RB in the 1st round should be frowned upon.
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Great read on Allen...
Wyoming's Allen set to go from no one to No. 1 pick in 2018 draft
His talent is undeniable; He also has had limited coaching. I personally think sky is the limit for the kid. He could easily be the best QB out of this draft and the talent to be the best in the league. Defintely risk involved
Wyoming's Allen set to go from no one to No. 1 pick in 2018 draft
His talent is undeniable; He also has had limited coaching. I personally think sky is the limit for the kid. He could easily be the best QB out of this draft and the talent to be the best in the league. Defintely risk involved
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