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  1. rangerssharks414

    rangerssharks414 Moderator

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    My picks:

    AL MVP: Betts (I have this bad feeling that J.D. Martinez will win, though...)
    NL MVP: Yelich
    AL Cy Young: Verlander (Snell will win, though)
    NL Cy Young: deGrom
    AL Rookie: Ohtani
    NL Rookie: Acuna (but it very well could be Soto)
    AL Manager: Melvin (might be Cash)
    NL Manager: Counsell (might be Snitker)
     
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    I wouldnt be surprised if they gave it to Cora, but should be Melvin

    NL has to be Snitker to me, Atlanta is basically the same as Oakland this year. No expectations to top level team.

    AL Cy Young is easily Snell. Leads the league in wins, ERA and ERA+. 21 wins and sub 2.00 ERA is automatic
     
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    There is no way JD should get the AL MVP honours over Betts. JD has better HR and RBI numbers but Betts crushes him everywhere else hitting or otherwise. Trout again had an unbelievable season but will not be a true candidate because of a baseball logic. Either way Betts is absolutely deserving.
     
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    agree with 1 exception, Betts doesn't crush Martinez in hitting.

    Betts: .346/.438/.640, 1.078 OPS, 186 OPS+
    JDM: .330/.402/.629, 1.031 OPS, 173 OPS+
     
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    AL MVP: Betts
    NL MVP: Yelich
    AL Cy: Sale
    NL Cy: DeGrom
    AL RoY: Ohtani
    NL RoY: Acuna
     
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    Agreed.

    AL MVP: Betts
    NL MVP: Yelich
    NL Cy Young: deGrom

    AL Cy Young: Snell. He won War for Pitchers, ERA, Wins, Hits per 9 IP, ERA+, Adj. Pitching Runs, Adj. Pitching Wins, Base Out Runs Saved (RE24), and Base Out Wins Saved (REW).
     
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    Ok, maybe not crush but his stats are definitively better so I'm just saying there's really no argument for JD over Betts as MVP.
     
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    Agreed on everything here except I have Snell over Sale. What's your case on that one?
     
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    I think he was clearly the most dominant pitcher despite time missed. Other than like ERA, the case holds up.

    I'd order my top 5 this way:
    Sale
    Verlander
    Snell
    Kluber
    Bauer
     
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    AL MVP: Trout
    NL MVP: Yelich
    AL CY: Snell
    NL CY: deGrom
    AL ROY: Ohtani
    NL ROY: Acuna
    AL Manager: Melvin
    NL Manager: Snitker
     
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    Yes, I'd say he was the most dominant as well but 158 IP is pretty light when you have other strong candidates. I think any of Snell, Sale, or Verlander winning it would be justified I just thought Snell was the front runner at this point but maybe not I guess.
     
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    The Red Sox seemed to lighten his inning load on purpose, especially with the injury. He didn't need to throw 200+ innings for them.
     
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    Also, I pretty much had Arenado as my NL MVP until this week. Even then, I think it's close.
     
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    Defending my Verlander pick...

    Verlander pitched almost 35 more innings than Snell. His K rate was higher, and his K/BB was a lot higher. If Snell pitched about 15 more innings and had close to the same rate stats, I'd go with him. I don't care about pitcher wins.

    I don't think Sale pitched enough innings. He was the most dominating pitcher in the AL, but the innings aren't there.
     
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    Verlander has 214 innings in 34 starts
    Snell has 180 innings in 31 starts

    you realize they work out to essentially the same innings per start, right? 6 1/3 for Verlander and 6 for Snell

    Snell dominated traditional and advanced stats this year and certainly was better than Verlander
     
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    MVP: Betts/Yelich
    CY: Verlander/deGrom
    ROY: Ohtani/Acuna
    Manager: Melvin/Snitker
    Comeback: Piscotty/Ottavino
     
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    AL MVP: Betts
    NL MVP: Yelich
    AL Cy Young: Snell
    NL Cy Young: deGrom
    AL Rookie: Ohtani
    NL Rookie: Soto
    AL Manager: Melvin
    NL Manager: Counsell
     
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    Yes, but Verlander actually pitched those innings.

    I definitely think Snell is in the top two. But I'd go Verlander. I personally don't like WAR for pitchers (especially fWAR) because it uses metrics that predict future success/lack thereof such as BABIP, strand rate, etc..
     
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    Trout/Yelich
    Verlander/deGrom
    Ohtani/Acuna
     

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