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First of all, I was simply responding to your ridiculous claim that Frank Fosyton, Claude Giroux, and Vladimir Martinec were great forecheckers.
Kessel was a 2nd liner, and Sheary a 3rd liner.
Punch Broadbent is likely a good fore-checker. Foyston is likely average.
Hey, I like Giroux too. He's gritty.
He's a guy who is probably average to begin with, playing out of position, which further diminishes what he brings in my books
Ok, but who's forechecking in your coaches forechecking system?
Yes, the players who will rarely be on the ice are great at executing the system.
I never made a specific, ridiculous claim that all 3 of them were great fore checkers, either Go back and read the first quote you brought up.
I know.
Thats why I'm glad hockey isn't an individual sport and they each have great wingers who are capable of doing what Gorman wants. The vast majority of the Bankers fit what Gorman would want to do initially.
But if your problem is big enough, then vote against my team even though I believe I've presented more than enough to show why my team is superior to NY. Either way, I've enjoyed the ride and hope we have a great voter turnout, win or lose.
Foyston and Martinec are great wingers. I didn't say great fore checkers did I? And Foyston is more than capable of being strong on the check, in either direction. There's first hand examples of that. Been brought up multiple times. Martinec was at the very least a solid defensive winger, so while he wouldn't bang people in the offensive zone he would subscribe to playing good team D. Foyston was plus going back the other way.
Broadbent was an excellent fore checking winger. That's one of his bread and butter attributes when you read his bio's and game reports. Giroux is more than capable of checking. He's not Gordie Howe, but then again, as I've correctly pointed out and used modern day examples (see below), doesn't have to be. Especially on a line with Punch. Giroux out of position? Damn, 102 points in his first full year on the LW....not sure how that diminishes is offensive value when he just put up the most dominant season of his career....."out of position". If he was "out of position" he probably wouldn't have had a Hart type campaign.
Sheary played on Crosby's line in 2016. Not the 3rd. Last year he played some in the top 6 and some in the bottom 6. I watch all the Pens games.
Kessel is the most heavily used pure offensive winger in Pitt's system and they've done just fine with him being there.
Bryan Rust goes into the corners and is feisty but hardly a great fore checker. Again, another guy who has spent plenty of time in the top 6 for Pitt over the past 2.5 years. Jake Guentzel, same thing. A lot like Giroux in that he plays bigger than his size, but isn't some dominant physical presence.
So cumulatively, the bottom 6 of a hockey team is rarely on the ice? That's a new one. I guess, going to extremes is what some folks do.
At the end of the day I personally have more of an issue with a culturally and stylistically different coach (Cold War Tarasov) trying to get North American players to buy into his mindset when North Americans played and lived dramatically different than Russian players, in most cases. Nobody wants to dive into that one, do they, when it could absolutely be a real issue when looking at the history of hockey in Russia in the 50-60's? And not just on the ice, but culturally off it as well. How many NHL players did Tarasov coach again???
Gorman is much, much more likely to be cohesive with a roster full of players who mostly can do what he wants, all the while being a players coach, who didn't operate like, well, the insane Stalinist regime of the Cold War.