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Lindgren

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There are rumors that the Hawks are interested in Gagner. We may have to retain on that one, but whatever.. get him out of here.

Yes indeed, ship him out.

Sources for the rumours?
 

krutovsdonut

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They gave up a center making 1.5 million and Kruger is 2.77 million. So you are looking at under 1.3 million for that swap.

good point except that kruger's aav is $3,083,333, so it is more like a maximum $1.6m negative cap hit compared to keeping the hossa contract and taking ir cap relief.

not a lot but perhaps an indication they do not intend to spend to the cap this year and are just clearing the decks for seasons to come.
 

Lindgren

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They tried for him as an UFA last year, and there was some more recent talk out of Chicago recently. I think a bunch of it was on Twitter.

Was it entirely speculation, or were any sources suggesting they'd actually heard something?
 

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good point except that kruger's aav is $3,083,333, so it is more like a maximum $1.6m negative cap hit compared to keeping the hossa contract and taking ir cap relief.

not a lot but perhaps an indication they do not intend to spend to the cap this year and are just clearing the decks for seasons to come.

I believe 10% was previously retained by Carolina to get to 2.775.
 
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krutovsdonut

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I believe 10% was previously retained by Carolina to get to 2.775.

ok, got it. capfriendly is a little hard to figure out on this one. on the kruger page it shows the aav and you have to spot the footnote to realize there is more to it.
 

mossey3535

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I don't think Hellbuyck deserves that contract in terms of where he is at as a starter.

But in terms of recent money given out it makes sense.

I personally think he is no better than a lot of big goalies in the league who would have done well on the Winnipeg team this year. His mobility is decent, but in the playoffs I felt like he didn't really steal games and let a lot of goals go through him. Technically he is above average but nothing special.

You also have to remember that his performance when Winnipeg wasn't so good was up and down - although he was a less experienced goalie then too. I think with another year of performing well this contract would be better justified but that isn't the timing that the Jets had to deal with.
 

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me2

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Oh, I don't disagree with any of that and have been saying most of it for years. The position is absurdly volatile.

That said, Hellebuyck is a better bet than most, and Winnipeg had no other option really than a contract like this coming off a year where he nearly won the Vezina and nearly took them to the Finals. Especially given the goaltending nightmare that team has had for the past decade.

It's not a horrible cap % at all and the deal runs out when he's still only 30.

If Demko is a Vezina finalist in 19-20, I'd be ok with a contract like this.

This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't scenarios. Your only other options are trying to find another starter (and getting roasted if they miss) or arbitration (if eligible) and try to get a 1-2 year $6m deal, I can't see him getting less in arbitration. If he goes well, you are looking at $7-9m 8 years or pissed off player.

Crawford was good enough for Chicago, I can see Hellebuyck getting it done for Winnipeg.
 

krutovsdonut

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lol, i guess nobody is ever cut off on an ongoing insurance disability claim ever unless there is a felony criminal fraud prosecution.

sure thing guys. you really told me off.

lucky i didn't say anything about the dirty knife.

 

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I think I rather be a Pittsburgh or Washington fan if i was going to dream. TB is defn a good team but they have a lot of issues coming up, i would not bet on them winning if they do not do it this year.
Going all in for a couple tries at the Cup or just cruising along at above average status for a decade. Tough choice. One can argue Gillis didn't do enough of the former.
 
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me2

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lol, i guess nobody is ever cut off on an ongoing insurance disability claim ever unless there is a felony criminal fraud prosecution.

sure thing guys. you really told me off.

Chicago doctors checked.
External specialist confirmed it.
The NHL sent it's own specialists to confirm it.
The insurance company sent it's own specialists to confirm it.

And you still believe it is made up.
 
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me2

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the comment about hawks still liking gagner made me check and kruger's contract is also $3m. maybe it was an either/or proposition.

question though: by adding kruger and shedding hossa do the hawks actually make their cap situation worse in the short term given they could claim ir cap relief for the hossa contract?

i know it takes some close roster management to maximize the value of ir cap relief, but dumping the hossa contract would seem to reduce the amount they could spend this season by about $2 million, so presumably it is more about shedding the 3 year remaining term of hossa's deal than immediate relief.

Bonuses, Hossa keeps them over cap and then bonuses come out of your next year, which sucks.

Kruger is one and done.

Kruger waived only has a cap hit of $1.7m.

Chicago moved out $7.4m and to back $1.7m if Kruger is waived. $5.7m in cap space but they have to fill two spots they just opened in the trade. If they move Kruger with a pick, they get the full $7.4m

Benning should be all over Chicago, checking what they want throw in to take Kruger of their hands. We can waive him.
 

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Yeah, that's a great point re Kruger.

Hell, he would have been an okay 4C option if we didn't lose our minds on Beagle. Jfc is thst a bad contract.
 
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I can't believe people are still claiming the Hossa medical issue is a giant conspiracy given all the evidence contrary.

The craziest thing is that people think the Blackhawks would rather have cap sapce than Hossa on the team. He literally had 45 point in like 70 games before he retired while being an excellent defensive forward only 5.2 million. You take that player and contract on any team in the league.
 
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RobertKron

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I can't believe people are still claiming the Hossa medical issue is a giant conspiracy given all the evidence contrary.

The craziest thing is that people think the Blackhawks would rather have cap sapce than Hossa on the team. He literally had 45 point in like 70 games before he retired while being an excellent defensive forward only 5.2 million. You take that player and contract on any team in the league.

He’d also been receiving treatment for the condition for several years at that point.
 

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People don't question Hossa's ailment from the Hawks standpoint, they question it from Hossa's standpoint. Is it a coincidence that it happened when he stopped making big money? Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be a real thing, but if he was making 5 million a year instead of 1 million maybe he plays through it.
 
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pitseleh

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People don't question Hossa's ailment from the Hawks standpoint, they question it from Hossa's standpoint. Is it a coincidence that it happened when he stopped making big money? Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be a real thing, but if he was making 5 million a year instead of 1 million maybe he plays through it.

Why does his salary matter? He gets paid either way. If he was making $5 million, he'd be getting $5 million not to play.
 
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RandV

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People don't question Hossa's ailment from the Hawks standpoint, they question it from Hossa's standpoint. Is it a coincidence that it happened when he stopped making big money? Maybe, maybe not. It seems to be a real thing, but if he was making 5 million a year instead of 1 million maybe he plays through it.

Even if that was the case there would be nothing wrong with it. If it's a condition that causes an increasing amount of discomfort then there's nothing wrong with a financial decision being a factor on when to call it quits. Only real problem is how it brushes up against the CBA, but this is just finding a legitimate loophole necessary because they changed the rules after accepting these contracts. As Canuck fans we should hope Luongo finds some sort of legitimate reason to stash in himself in limbo for a couple seasons on the IR.
 

The Drop

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Why does his salary matter? He gets paid either way. If he was making $5 million, he'd be getting $5 million not to play.
I think he means that his salary went from 7.9mil to 4mil for a year to 1mil and it’s at that point he retired.

His cap hit was 5.275
 

pitseleh

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I think he means that his salary went from 7.9mil to 4mil for a year to 1mil and it’s at that point he retired.

His cap hit was 5.275

He's not retired though. If he were, there would be no current cap hit, and the Hawks would be hit with a cap recapture penalty. He's going on LTIR when the season starts. He's still going to get paid for the duration of his contract by the Coyotes, with most of that covered by insurance.
 
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