Speculation: 2018-2019 Transaction Discussions & Speculation

[serp]

Is this explicitly in the conditions?

With it being a 2020 pick, the Rangers would have a decent argument against us if this happens and the wording is vague.

I know thats how it works for the conditional pick in the Duchene trade to the Jackets so i would think so it would work here too. Now would Nill do that and would Zuccarello agree to that ? I don't know if i had to guess probably not. Once he hits full free agency the player has complete control. He would have to play along with that.

 

[LT]

Zuccarello seems to like the Rangers too much to screw them over like that.

And as Nemeth said, Nill wouldn’t either. That’s a great way to tank your reputation as a GM simply to save a draft pick.

 

[BfantZ]

Zucc will either be signed Before free agency or let go . If he plays enough games and develops good chemistry with the guys , I can’t see it being the latter.

 

[Magic Mittens]

Zucc may already be planning to go back to the Ranger's. Wouldn't surprise me

 

[Webster]

Zucc may already be planning to go back to the Ranger's. Wouldn't surprise me

It's certainly possible. A respected NYR beat writer said he believes the door will stay wide open for Zucc this summer.

 

[Dynamite Time]

Zucc may do a 1-2 year deal and end up back in NY like Sharp did with Chi.

No harm, no foul.

 

[LT]

Zucc may do a 1-2 year deal and end up back in NY like Sharp did with Chi.

No harm, no foul.

That'd be a big gamble for him when he'll almost certainly get offers of 30M+ over the life of the contract.

 

[Troy McClure]

Man... looking at Cap Friendly this morning and just realized both Oleksiak and Cogliano are under contract for two more seasons at a combined $5.4 million.

I was excited about the idea of the Cogliano trade at first because I wanted more speed in the forward group, but he sure seems to have lost whatever hands he had in the past.

 

[Troy McClure]

Thought I'd cut and paste some digging I did earlier today when looking at Nill's trades and free agency moves going back a couple of offseasons.

2017
Good
Signed Radulov
Signed Pitlick
Traded for the rights to and signed Bishop

Bad
Signed Hanzal
Traded for Methot
Bought out Niemi a year too late

2018
Good
Traded a 7th for Fedun
Signed Khudobin
Dumped Smith on waivers
Signed Polak for next to nothing

Bad
Signed Nichushkin
Signed Comeau

2019
Good
Traded for Zuccarello – he’s a good player even if the price was steep

Bad
Traded for Lovejoy
Traded for Cogliano

I ignored RFA signings.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Re-acquiring Oleksiak should be in your bad pile. Or maybe it should have it's own "Nonsense" pile.

I also consider dropping Elie as good.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Bad
Signed Hanzal - Agree, puzzling from the get go
Traded for Methot - Generally lauded at the time, especially since price was cheaper than trading down and not getting Miro, as LV had proposed.
Bought out Niemi a year too late - Did he have a suitable replacement and cap space to buy him out a year earlier?

 

[serp]

I don't consider the Lovejoy and Cogliano trades are bad. They're at worst meh. Minor upgrades and the price wasn't exactly steep .

 

[Satan]

Only traditional hockej men liked the Methot trade. It was bad asset management and we’ve acquired two similar defensemen within the past year at much cheaper prices since.

 

[Smelling Salt]

I don't consider the Lovejoy and Cogliano trades are bad. They're at worst meh. Minor upgrades and the price wasn't exactly steep .

In a vacuum the Lovejoy trade isn't abhorrent.

However - for me if you consider Nill re-acquired Oleksiak not long before that, and now Jamie O is in and out of the lineup and Lovejoy is honestly pretty bad himself, it's just a waste of assets. Especially if you also consider what Brassard was traded for. That's what makes it a really bad trade IMO.

 

[Satan]

Everyone is bad

 

[serp]

In a vacuum the Lovejoy trade isn't abhorrent.

However - for me if you consider Nill re-acquired Oleksiak not long before that, and now Jamie O is in and out of the lineup and Lovejoy is honestly pretty bad himself, it's just a waste of assets. Especially if you also consider what Brassard was traded for. That's what makes it a really bad trade IMO.

The team needed a defenseman who can spill Polak and Lindell on the PK badly and Lovejoy has done a pretty good job there . Not to mention how bad Brassard has been doing this year and has been with the Avs as well . The Oleksiak trade was a bit of a headscratcher in hindsight i agree . Jamie O hasn't shown himself to be good enough for Special teams or anything more than third pairing usage.

 

[LT]

Methot was fine at the time, don’t think anyone expected his injuries to be this debilitating. It was a small gamble that didn’t pay off.

 

[serp]

Methot was fine at the time, don’t think anyone expected his injuries to be this debilitating. It was a small gamble that didn’t pay off.

I think Methot in hindsight was overrated as a player . He was given too much credit for his play with Karlsson on the Senators.

 

[Satan]

Methot was fine at the time, don’t think anyone expected his injuries to be this debilitating. It was a small gamble that didn’t pay off.

it made no sense

we could've had colin miller!

 

[LT]

it made no sense

we could've had colin miller!

Colin Miller could barely hold down an NHL job at that time

 

[Satan]

Colin Miller could barely hold down an NHL job at that time

theres a thing called "development", ever hear about it

 

[LT]

theres a thing called "development", ever hear about it

He was 25, it was a calculated risk that paid off

Vegas could also offer him the time and luxury of guaranteed ice time, something he probably wouldn’t have gotten here with Hitch

 

[Satan]

He was 25, it was a calculated risk that paid off

Vegas could also offer him the time and luxury of guaranteed ice time, something he probably wouldn’t have gotten here with Hitch

+7.1 CF% rel in Boston

could've had him for p e a n u t s

I remember the Leafs were linked to him and I think the trade fell through

 

[Troy McClure]

I think Methot in hindsight was overrated as a player . He was given too much credit for his play with Karlsson on the Senators.

My gripe with Methot is he was always injury prone. It never was this bad, but he’s guaranteed to be on IR every season.

 

[LT]

+7.1 CF% rel in Boston

could've had him for p e a n u t s

I remember the Leafs were linked to him and I think the trade fell through

Brett Ritchie had 5.7% CF-rel last year and he's currently struggling to maintain an NHL job.