Speculation: 2018-2019 Trade Deadline

[LightningStrikes]

It’s funny that we worry about secondary scoring, myself included, yet I hear on NHLN Sirius xm that the Lightning have the most bottom 6 points of any team in the NHL.

I might be wrong but it feels like our secondary scoring has gone waaay down the past few weeks/months though.

Edit: Scoring among our forwards since Jan 1st:

 

[CupsOverCash]

It’s funny that we worry about secondary scoring, myself included, yet I hear on NHLN Sirius xm that the Lightning have the most bottom 6 points of any team in the NHL.

I think we are just scared we see the same thing as last year when the scoring dried up. I bet that is a thing the guys are focused on come that time to prove they can do it when crunch time comes.

 

[Todd1a]

looks like we stand pat because Eklund said we are the leader for simmonds

 

[Cmac66]

Really struggling to see who we could get in who could make a massive difference to the team. Doesn’t seem reasonable to over pay for someone who won’t make a massive impact. I felt like last season we struggled when we came up against tougher teams. Cernak seems to be a solid addition and has giving us a upgrade in that department. Either go for a Panarin or Stone or don’t bother.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Its got to be hard for a GM to stand pat when other really good/hot teams start getting really good players. My main concern is the 3rd line. I think you can go with your 4th line being more of a physical shut down line. But if your first 2 lines are slowed down, you need some help from the 3rd. Adding a top 6 player and bumping a good player down would really help. Also, I have been a big Mathieu Joseph fan since his junior days. But he scares me on the 4th line in the playoffs. I would like to see him bulk up some then be a 3rd liner next year. I just don't like him on the 4th line with his lack of size. It seemed like a buyers market a few weeks ago. But with teams like Boston, St. Louis, and Chicago playing much better, there are going to be a lot of teams looking to add. And that will make the price of a trade go up.

Thats the first time i've heard that complaint.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

What hole would you like him to fill for us?

Honestly, i'd love to see him next to Point with Miller on the other side.

 

[The Macho King]

Honestly, i'd love to see him next to Point with Miller on the other side.

This isn't the same Wayne Simmonds. He's currently on the 3rd line of a team out of the playoffs, and you want to put him with our top C who has insane chemistry with the best player in hockey?

That doesn't make sense. He doesn't have much in the way of wheels, he probably wouldn't be on our top PP, and really he would just force Joseph out of the lineup. Now you can argue that isn't a bad thing, but I say Joseph a) has a ton of untapped potential, b) is almost producing as much as Simmonds with regular scratches + no PP time, and c) is an integral part to the second best PK in the league.

It just makes no sense to me. This is to fill a hole that doesn't really exist.

 

[BeingTheThunder]

Callahan, Coburn, Gourde, and Masin to STL for Alex Pietrangelo.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

This isn't the same Wayne Simmonds. He's currently on the 3rd line of a team out of the playoffs, and you want to put him with our top C who has insane chemistry with the best player in hockey?

That doesn't make sense. He doesn't have much in the way of wheels, he probably wouldn't be on our top PP, and really he would just force Joseph out of the lineup. Now you can argue that isn't a bad thing, but I say Joseph a) has a ton of untapped potential, b) is almost producing as much as Simmonds with regular scratches + no PP time, and c) is an integral part to the second best PK in the league.

It just makes no sense to me. This is to fill a hole that doesn't really exist.

Wouldn't force Joseph out of the lineup, but would force Erne out.

 

[God King Fudge]

Honestly, i'd love to see him next to Point with Miller on the other side.

Oh, hey. Someone else who understands that there are indeed different play styles in the NHL and different players are effective because of that play style.

How rare you are.

 

[The Macho King]

Wouldn't force Joseph out of the lineup, but would force Erne out.

Erne's been on LW almost the entire season, so we're either asking a rookie to play out of his natural position, or asking Simmonds.

And that's a hell of a price to pay for a fourth liner. Unless you want to demote Miller or Killorn to the fourth to make room for Simmonds, despite outproducing him by a good clip? But then Simmonds is dragging his slow ass on a speedy line.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. You want to bring in "muscle", so you scratch.... Erne? He already provides that!

Simmonds isn't even a luxury at this point. He's a square peg on a team full of round holes. I heard Bolts Prospects say something about Coyle - that at least makes some sense since he has wheels. Simmonds goes completely against our team identity out of a misplaced desire for "toughness".

 

[BeingTheThunder]

Erne's been on LW almost the entire season, so we're either asking a rookie to play out of his natural position, or asking Simmonds.

And that's a hell of a price to pay for a fourth liner. Unless you want to demote Miller or Killorn to the fourth to make room for Simmonds, despite outproducing him by a good clip? But then Simmonds is dragging his slow ass on a speedy line.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. You want to bring in "muscle", so you scratch.... Erne? He already provides that!

Simmonds isn't even a luxury at this point. He's a square peg on a team full of round holes. I heard Bolts Prospects say something about Coyle - that at least makes some sense since he has wheels. Simmonds goes completely against our team identity out of a misplaced desire for "toughness".

If we need an upgrade of "toughness" wouldn't it make sense to make a run for Ferland?

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

one day might be raddysh or probably gonna be joseph with kucherov and point bank it.... joseph is that fast and good.... raddysh is a hell of a playmaker so is going to be very interesting my two cents. I hate every trade I hear people like throwing him around like he dont matter smdh....
as far as joseph in playoffs he plays fine if he gets knocked down he gets up.... next will be cirelli aint big enough smdh.... as far as simmonds goes 1.32 PIM career avg which is DOUBLE killorns worst year. So does he pull a body every time he goes to penalty? or is he that stupid..>> that is my question on simmonds.... cause he sure as hell isnt fighting 2 fights last year 1 fight this year 2 fights in playoffs in his career .... other stats are fine.... is he an upgrade to palat or miller at the net palat id say yes miller im unsure i like miller in that spot on power play one.... so hope we dont move on simmonds unless we get a steal of a deal.....

 

[The Macho King]

Simmonds is going to make one GM look very stupid this summer. He's exactly in that Lucic/Ladd/Callahan mold. 30 year old PWF with injury issues who is trending down. You're not getting 30 goal Simmonds. That player is dead.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Erne's been on LW almost the entire season, so we're either asking a rookie to play out of his natural position, or asking Simmonds.

And that's a hell of a price to pay for a fourth liner. Unless you want to demote Miller or Killorn to the fourth to make room for Simmonds, despite outproducing him by a good clip? But then Simmonds is dragging his slow ass on a speedy line.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. You want to bring in "muscle", so you scratch.... Erne? He already provides that!

Simmonds isn't even a luxury at this point. He's a square peg on a team full of round holes. I heard Bolts Prospects say something about Coyle - that at least makes some sense since he has wheels. Simmonds goes completely against our team identity out of a misplaced desire for "toughness".

Please, Erne can't even stay in the lineup consistently against a 33 year old that is usually half crippled come playoff time. I like our depth, but I don't, and i'd like someone with size who can put the puck in the net as a backup plan because if something happens, I don't see Martel being that guy (but I would be happy to be wrong about that).

I don't want just toughness, we could sign any AHL meathead if we did that, I want a big physical winger who can still put the puck in the net who we can likely get cheap after a down season due to an injury that tends to need 18-ish months to fully heal. I think getting out of Philly and getting him into the thick of a playoff run would really bring him back to life.

EDIT: Didn't see the Coyle stuff and I would love him on this team, but i'm assuming he isn't available/affordable.

 

[Sky04]

Simmonds is going to make one GM look very stupid this summer. He's exactly in that Lucic/Ladd/Callahan mold. 30 year old PWF with injury issues who is trending down. You're not getting 30 goal Simmonds. That player is dead.

Career minus player, not a single strong playoff performance. Someones essentially going to overpay for a Ryan Callahan minus the defensive play.

 

[BeingTheThunder]

i'd like someone with size who can put the puck in the net as a backup plan because if something happens, I don't see Martel being that guy (but I would be happy to be wrong about that).

Michael Ferland fits that bill IMO...

 

[Marshall42]

Cally is a proven playoff game changer with experience and guts......proved again last year. the team rallies around his play ....read all the comments from his teammates

Can't keep him out of the lineup come playoffs

 

[The Macho King]

Cally is a proven playoff game changer with experience and guts......proved again last year. the team rallies around his play ....read all the comments from his teammates

Can't keep him out of the lineup come playoffs

39 points in 119 games. Definitely a game changer.

 

[These Are The Days]

Cally is a proven playoff game changer with experience and guts......proved again last year. the team rallies around his play ....read all the comments from his teammates

Can't keep him out of the lineup come playoffs

The hell we can't. This is the most productive he's been in years BECAUSE we keep scratching him

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Simmonds is going to make one GM look very stupid this summer. He's exactly in that Lucic/Ladd/Callahan mold. 30 year old PWF with injury issues who is trending down. You're not getting 30 goal Simmonds. That player is dead.

Injury history/issues? Funny, outside of his age 24 season he has been pretty consistent with playing 75+ games. I get if you don't think he is a fit but this argument falls flat.

 

[The Macho King]

Injury history/issues? Funny, outside of his age 24 season he has been pretty consistent with playing 75+ games. I get if you don't think he is a fit but this argument falls flat.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...layed-with-more-injuries-even-he-can-remember

Cool.

 

[Bolt 45]

Simmonds doesn't make any kind of sense. The league is getting younger and faster while Simmonds is getting older and slower. The thought of him trying to keep up with a team like Toronto in the playoffs is honestly terrifying.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Career minus player, not a single strong playoff performance. Someones essentially going to overpay for a Ryan Callahan minus the defensive play.

Also spent nearly his entire career with below average goaltenders.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...layed-with-more-injuries-even-he-can-remember

Cool.

And this proves what? Still played 75+ games.
EDIT: You know what? This proves my point even more, the guy had 6 of 8 seasons with 20+ goals.

Simmonds doesn't make any kind of sense. The league is getting younger and faster while Simmonds is getting older and slower. The thought of him trying to keep up with a team like Toronto in the playoffs is honestly terrifying.

I'd worry more about Girardi and Stralman keeping up than the forwards.

 

[Sky04]

Also spent nearly his entire career with below average goaltenders.

And this proves what? Still played 75+ games.
EDIT: You know what? This proves my point even more, the guy had 6 of 8 seasons with 20+ goals.

I'd worry more about Girardi and Stralman keeping up than the forwards.

Since when is playing 70+ games riddled with injury a positive? Look at that awful downward production trend or the 0 goals 4 points through his last 12 playoff games.

 

[The Macho King]

Also spent nearly his entire career with below average goaltenders.

And this proves what? Still played 75+ games.
EDIT: You know what? This proves my point even more, the guy had 6 of 8 seasons with 20+ goals.

I'd worry more about Girardi and Stralman keeping up than the forwards.

He played in front of Quick for the first part of his career.

And playing 75+ games ineffectively isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. His stats have been in decline for four straight seasons. He was never fast, and he's getting slower. He tends to get ~50% of his goal production on the PP (which we're already historically good at).

If you get Simmonds, you're getting a PP specialist, because he's abysmal defensively. He's been negative relative to his team in possession for all but two years of his entire career, despite *never* carrying a heavy defensive load. And he's a mediocre playoff performer to boot.

He's basically a worse version of Rick Nash. He fills zero holes on this roster, and acquiring him would be a legit stupid deadline move. It's a trade to make a trade, not a trade that actually fixes any needs.