Line Combos: 2018 -2019 Line/D Pairing discussions & proposals - II

Discussion in 'Boston Bruins' started by TP, Dec 21, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. bp13

    bp13 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2003
    Messages:
    15,641
    Likes Received:
    1,028
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Home Page:
    I'm not defending Dupont nor am I suggesting Sean Kuraly is remotely a 2nd line NHL player, but 2nd line in Boston isn't exactly a juggernaut last I checked. We have TWO players capable of being called 2nd line NHL players, if you exclude the obvious 1st line studs. Sean Kuraly seems to me to be at least as capable as any of the other riff-raff we've thrown next to Kejci-DeBrusk this season. He may not have the hands or supposed talent of a guy like Donato, for example, but he's a much better pro at this point. And he makes a bigger impact than Heinen on a nightly basis. So honestly, why fight the point here?

    I actually think KPD's point here might be tongue-in-cheek. I read this to say "The Bruins management seems so apathetic about adding real 2nd line talent to this team that they may as well try Sean Kuraly there given his ability to step up in big spots.". Frankly I'm not sure that's so absurd. He's earned the chance over guys like Donato and Heinen.
     
  2. elMatador

    elMatador Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Intriguing. Cassidy could have a line of JFK Cave Frederic giving each one period at C.
     
  3. GloryDaze4877

    GloryDaze4877 Barely Irrelevant

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2006
    Messages:
    43,970
    Likes Received:
    12,734
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The Sticks (West MA)
    He’s got 3g/3a in the last 10 games (vs Bottom 6 competition), which is good. The 29 games before that, he had 1g/3a.

    Not sure he’s “earned” Top 6 minutes. B’s need to acquire a Top 6 player.
     
  4. Alicat

    Alicat HFBoards Sponsor Sponsor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2005
    Messages:
    46,266
    Likes Received:
    22,650
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Boston
    He did when in Boston likely trying to prove himself.

    If he's controlled that side of his game, you might be able to convince me he's worthy of a call up.

    That said, I also prefer Frederic.
     
  5. bp13

    bp13 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2003
    Messages:
    15,641
    Likes Received:
    1,028
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Home Page:
    Agreed 100% on all accounts.

    Has he earned "2nd line NHL minutes"? Hell no!

    But has he earned "2nd line on the Boston Bruins minutes"? Probably.

    Of course this just underscores the woeful job they did filling that spot, be it via lack of trades, FA signings or simply overrating prospects. However as it relates to Kuraly specifically, and not to get sidetracked ripping the GM, I think he's earned a shot. I think he's certainly earned it over Ryan Donato. And probably Danton Heinen. At the very least, though he may have less skill than both, shouldn't they at least try him there since the other two have failed thus far?
     
  6. Mainehockey33

    Mainehockey33 Powerplay Specialist

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2011
    Messages:
    8,667
    Likes Received:
    4,913
    Trophy Points:
    127
    Location:
    Maine
    I thought Blidh has looked pretty bad whenever he’s played for Boston. If he’s called up before Cehlarik I’ll lol.
     
    Gordon Lightfoot likes this.
  7. Mission ImPastable

    Mission ImPastable Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2017
    Messages:
    6,495
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ontario
    I would like a guy like Blidh up, we could use some sandpaper out there. He is projected on the top Providence line as a few guys are just skating again, like Bjork and Senyshyn. He could take a spot on the 4th line till Nordy gets back. He does have some offense to his game, more than Acciari anyways. Not sure if he Pk's need to ask the guys watching Providence.
     
  8. 13Hockey

    13Hockey Go B's

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2006
    Messages:
    16,496
    Likes Received:
    2,333
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Boston
    Point Pace Per 82 games

    Last Year:

    Marchand(103)Bergeron(81)Pastrnak(80)
    DeBrusk(50)Krejci(56)Nash(39)
    Heinen(50)Nash(44)Backes(47)
    Schaller(22)Kuraly(15)Acciari(15)

    This Year:

    Marchand(88)Bergeron(113)Pastrnak(103)
    Debrusk(37)Krejci(64)Donato(22)
    Heinen(22)Cave(22)Backes(25)
    Nordstrom(15)Kuraly(22)Wagner(16)

    1st line: +39 Points
    2nd line: -22 Points
    3rd line: -72 Points :help:
    4th line: +1
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2019
    RussellmaniaKW likes this.
  9. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    12,690
    Likes Received:
    2,444
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    not earning enough to pay the bills
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada

    like it... breaking it down...

    we have the top line at a higher clip an extra 40 points... no problems there

    on line 2... krejci got a bump with the superior wingers carrying him for awhile but should average out over the second 1/2. debrusk goals are up/assists down. that's more dumb luck then anything else. donato doesn't really deserve to be judged here but the variety of guys we have used haven't been good enough.

    line 3 clearly is where almost the entire difference has been. last year the 3rd line became a thing for a couple months mid season and dominated. we are down over 70 points here... 50%... even putting donato in for cave doesn't make a huge difference. I would say the 3rd line is backes/kuraly/Nordstrom but it doesn't matter how you chalk it up. 3rd line is down from last year.

    4th line is a saw off... but if we are going with Heinen/jk/donato at the 4th line then its definitely more dangerous then last year.

    first and fourth lines... have more potential to score. second line is a player away from being as good/better then last year... and the 3rd line wont score as well as last year {but last year didn't come through at playoffs} ultimately we need the 3rd line to be able to play it level... stay even. I think we could expect that from backes/kuraly/Nordstrom. we didn't get that from backes/nash/Heinen in the big games at playoff time

    I don't know.... I think we are pretty close to fixing the second line with 1 trade... and then if everyone gets healthy go with kuraly/backes/Nordstrom and Heinen/jfk/donato as our bottom lines... and get cave/wagner into the press box
     
  10. bp13

    bp13 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2003
    Messages:
    15,641
    Likes Received:
    1,028
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Home Page:
    Hey...2 lines up and 2 lines down. That's not so bad!
     
  11. Jdavidev

    Jdavidev Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2011
    Messages:
    1,210
    Likes Received:
    592
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Comparing them to a team in the running for best regular season EVER in the NHL? The Bruins have issues, but so do all the teams, save for Tampa. They are just 6 points back from second in their division which also happens to be tied for second in the entire NHL.

    What a sad state indeed
     
  12. Saxon Eric

    Saxon Eric Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2005
    Messages:
    8,102
    Likes Received:
    2,977
    Trophy Points:
    156
    He's cleaned up his game
     
  13. KlausJopling

    KlausJopling Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2003
    Messages:
    3,821
    Likes Received:
    956
    Trophy Points:
    184
    Location:
    CT
    Home Page:


    Krejci given the day off. Looks like Cave may be the odd man out. My guess is they do similar thing to last game and Donato, Heinen and Backes all cycle through on the 2nd line.
     
  14. rocketdan9

    rocketdan9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    10,588
    Likes Received:
    3,253
    Trophy Points:
    186
    4th line has been nothing short of stellar

    -Kuraly just leave your face shield on the rest of the season. I would not touch Wagner Acciari Kuraly even if Nordstrom returns or Backes is dropped from the 2nd line

    -3rd line (kid line) is building nice chemistry. Donato getting better and better at helping out at the D end, little details. Heinen has looked most effective on this line this season

    - 2nd line - disconnect. Nobody knows what the other is doing/thinking it seems. Krejci and Debrusk have OK chemistry but Debrusk wants to go north/south.... Krejci east/west. Backes has no business being on the 2nd line.
     
  15. weaponomega

    weaponomega Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    10,046
    Likes Received:
    866
    Trophy Points:
    215
    Occupation:
    Bank Robber
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta
    The team just looks better without Cave. I'll even take Acciari over Cave.
     
  16. rocketdan9

    rocketdan9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    10,588
    Likes Received:
    3,253
    Trophy Points:
    186
    looks better without Nordstrom

    Cave Nordstrom Acciari and even Backes are all interchangeable on the 4th line

    It is sandpaper overkill to play all
     
  17. CaperJay

    CaperJay Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2016
    Messages:
    101
    Likes Received:
    42
    Trophy Points:
    26
    I hope when Charlie comes back they put him with miller cause I find the chemistry between Chara/Carlo and Krug/Moore to be really good. Miller has played the off side before and it would give us three really balanced pairs
     
  18. neelynugs

    neelynugs Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    32,790
    Likes Received:
    2,786
    Trophy Points:
    231
    i'm not sure why they didn't send cave down before the 10 game/30 day period, even if they brought him back up again.
    as far as i understand, that would've eluded the waiver issue and he'd be back in providence right now (where they certainly
    miss him). of course, i'm not even sure anyone would pick him up off waivers. he's a nice grinder, but i don't see more than 4C
    upside personally. could be wrong, have been plenty.
     
    weaponomega likes this.
  19. Mainehockey33

    Mainehockey33 Powerplay Specialist

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2011
    Messages:
    8,667
    Likes Received:
    4,913
    Trophy Points:
    127
    Location:
    Maine
  20. rocketdan9

    rocketdan9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    10,588
    Likes Received:
    3,253
    Trophy Points:
    186
    not good

    Marchand Krejci Pasta

    go back to it
     
    Mainehockey33 likes this.
  21. EdwardSharpe

    EdwardSharpe Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2017
    Messages:
    32
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Marchand - Krejci - Pasta
    Nordström - Bergeron - DeBrusk
    Donato - Forsbacka Karlsson - Heinen
    Kuraly - Acciari - Wagner/Backes

    Is this the best we can do with the current forward lineup (when Nordström is healthy)? Play Bergeron with Nordström and DeBrusk and let them take on a more defensive role. I think that line could break up plays and counterattack really fast with speedy wingers and Bergeron in the middle. Leave the third line for now and let the fourth line players rotate.
     
  22. Son of Donegal

    Son of Donegal Stay-at-home defenseman with zero upside.

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,593
    Likes Received:
    655
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Occupation:
    African safari organizer
    Location:
    Maynard, MA
    Home Page:
    With McAvoy (95% chance to play against TOR)) and Miller back in the line-up, the Bruins finally have their full D corps available.

    Based on that - Cassidy said he needs to pick between Grzelcyk or Moore for 3LD.

    Who do you go with? Moore has had the better stretch recently, but Gryz is trusted for more minutes.

    Thoughts?
     
  23. rocketdan9

    rocketdan9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    10,588
    Likes Received:
    3,253
    Trophy Points:
    186
    With Cehlarik called up

    Marchand Begeron Pasta
    Debrusk Krejci Cehlarik
    Heinen JFK Donato
    Backes Acciari Kuraly
     
    Blowfish likes this.
  24. shoulders7

    shoulders7 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    79
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Peabody
    Fine, except Acciari being in. Wagner over Acciari 100 times out of 100.
     
  25. rocketdan9

    rocketdan9 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2009
    Messages:
    10,588
    Likes Received:
    3,253
    Trophy Points:
    186
    He is sick

    Either Wagner or Debrusk will sit for tomorrow is my guess
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"