2018-19 NHL TV ratings

[SwaggySpungo]

Those regular season numbers are extremely concerning. They have fallen off a cliff the past 2 seasons, and they were incredibly low to begin with.

 

[eddygee]

Btw some more relevant info to the discussion.
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[eddygee]

Those regular season numbers are extremely concerning. They have fallen off a cliff the past 2 seasons, and they were incredibly low to begin with.

Yeah they are I've thought so too. It's something that shouldn't be ignored adding Seattle was just as much about reversing the regular season TV trends. The SC is just too much reliant on who is playing in it to count on getting favorable matchups during the life of a deal. Bettman has to figure out a way to get the fans that tuned into the Knights vs Caps SC Final o stick around for the season if the league is going to rise or get a large tv bump so fingers crossed for Seattle success.

 

[Jets4Life]

Sixers have been ahead for a while now, buddy.

Only cities where the NHL team is ahead of the NBA team currently is Washington and Toronto (which is getting closer by the week).

With American Thanksgiving this week, I should be seeing my Canadian source who has access to the ratings up in Canada. I'll pick his brain and see what he gives me. Curious to see if Winnipeg is still in freefall (they failed to sell out playoff games last season and local ratings were down significantly to start this season).

Is it not against forum rules to post either blatant lies or misleading information? You never had any access to ratings in Winnipeg. Stop lying.

 

[Coinneach]

Let's see.......

Regular season trending slightly down. But, playoffs up when considering who is involved. There is a fairly easy conclusion there: People enjoy watching hockey on TV when it means something, but not otherwise.

Next question: What changes when Seattle enters the league?
Probable answer: Regular season doesn't change much. No reason to expect it will, since why will so many Seattle people tune in to watch what are mostly ETZ games? Playoffs maybe don't have room to expand much more.

Current working theory: If NHL thinks that adding Seattle will make their TV contract rise by a large margin, they are going to be disappointed.

2nd current working theory: In spite of what the BOG wants, this will remain a 2nd-tier league (although the only league in that tier - big gap above and below).

3rd working theory: That means that the revenue gap between the haves and the have-nots will continue to grow, and the players may demand more revenue sharing among owners in the next CBA.

According to TV ratings it goes:

NFL >>> NBA, MLB >> NHL >>> WNBA > MLS

 

[ForumNamePending]

I agree pretty much. NHL does have to figure a way to reverse the regular season trend with ratings if they can get NBCSN back up to around 450k from 302k by the middle of next season I think we can get large bump.

By the looks of things NBCSN has never even averaged above 400k/game over a season, so I don't think anyone should be expecting a sudden 50% bounce to get from 300k to 450K in viewership within the next year.

As far as your tiers of pro leagues go...

-The NFL is in a tier on its own.
-MLB and the NBA are in the next tier. The NBA's viewership numbers appear to be far more comparable to baseball than the NFL.
-The NHL is on its own in the next tier. Over the course of a season the NHL draws ~5x as many eyeballs as MLS on national TV.

Is it not against forum rules to post either blatant lies or misleading information? You never had any access to ratings in Winnipeg. Stop lying.

I gotta admit I sorta admire their dedication. Despite the fact no one takes them seriously, and as demonstrated by their first ever post on this board, they don't understand the difference between a ratings point and a share, they soldier on with their "sports media industry insider" shtick.

 

[eddygee]

According to TV ratings it goes:

NFL >>> NBA, MLB >> NHL >>> WNBA > MLS

Lol what ratings you looking at

 

[Coinneach]

Lol what ratings you looking at

What part do u have problem with?

 

[eddygee]

By the looks of things NBCSN has never even averaged above 400k/game over a season, so I don't think anyone should be expecting a sudden 50% bounce to get from 300k to 450K in viewership within the next year.

As far as your tiers of pro leagues go...

-The NFL is in a tier on its own.
-MLB and the NBA are in the next tier. The NBA's viewership numbers appear to be far more comparable to baseball than the NFL.
-The NHL is on its own in the next tier. Over the course of a season the NHL draws ~5x as many eyeballs as MLS on national TV.



I gotta admit I sorta admire their dedication. Despite the fact no one takes them seriously, and as demonstrated by their first ever post on this board, they don't understand the difference between a ratings point and a share, they soldier on with their "sports media industry insider" shtick.

I think the NBA is far closer to NFL than NBA, the MLB has long term demographics problems. On NHL and MLS as I said before the regular season is whats comparable not the playoffs. I do wonder what regular season numbers for NHL will look like the end of ths season. NHL is drawing 417K about 1.5 times more eyeballs on average for regular season average than MLS 276k(remember the disparity in OTA games NBC vs FOX). The playoffs is what sets NHL apart and will be the saving grace for a big jump in TV revenue. My only contention is that regular season ratings can't continue to slide, at some point that will affect the Future TV deals if it has not already.

Fox, Turner contribute to $12 billion rights haul for MLB
ESPN Extends Deal With M.L.B. Through 2021
MLB on ESPN viewership up 2% for 2018 season


I wonder how much MLB gets from ESPN since MLB is renewing their deals early this cycle MLB average regular season TV ratings are just over 1 mil. This may be fortelling to the type of bump we can expect when the NHL deal is announced next season. FOX gave MLB about a 40% a bump of $200 mil from $525 mil yr to $728 mil per yr extra if ESPN does the same that net them about $975 mil per year, and $450 mil per yr if Turner follows suit.

 

[eddygee]

What part do u have problem with?

MLS ratings are higher you knew that of course, just trolling I suppose. MLS Cup the past 5-6 yrs averages about 3x WNBA final at 1.5 mil on average (1.44mil) to WNBA Finals (505k)

Women's National Basketball Association - Wikipedia
WNBA on ESPN - Wikipedia
2014 WNBA Finals Hits Multi-Year Viewership High
Audience Analysis: WNBA Regular-Season Viewership Hits New Low For ESPN/ESPN2
WNBA Finale Delivers League’s Top Audience Since 2008
Ratings: WNBA, NFL Pregames, NFL OOH, CFB
WNBA Reg. Season/ FINALS
2013- 231,000 2013-344,000
2014-240,000 2014-659,000
2015-202,000 2015-502,000
2016-224,000 2016-487,000
2017-181,000 2017-559,000
2018-231,000 2018-481,000

Major League Soccer on television - Wikipedia
MLS Reg. Season/ MLS Cup
2013- 185,000 2013- 1,000,000
2014- 200,000 2014- 1,900,000
2015- 229,000 2015- 1,200,000
2016- 248,000 2016- 2,000,000
2017- 258,000 2017- 1,100,000
2018- 276,000 2018-

 

[Coinneach]

MLS ratings are higher you knew that of course, just trolling I suppose. MLS Cup the past 5-6 yrs averages about 3x WNBA final at 1.5 mil on average (1.44mil) to WNBA Finals (505k)

Women's National Basketball Association - Wikipedia
WNBA on ESPN - Wikipedia
2014 WNBA Finals Hits Multi-Year Viewership High
Audience Analysis: WNBA Regular-Season Viewership Hits New Low For ESPN/ESPN2
WNBA Finale Delivers League’s Top Audience Since 2008
Ratings: WNBA, NFL Pregames, NFL OOH, CFB
WNBA Reg. Season/ FINALS
2013- 231,000 2013-344,000
2014-240,000 2014-659,000
2015-202,000 2015-502,000
2016-224,000 2016-487,000
2017-181,000 2017-559,000
2018-231,000 2018-481,000

Major League Soccer on television - Wikipedia
MLS Reg. Season/ MLS Cup
2013- 185,000 2013- 1,000,000
2014- 200,000 2014- 1,900,000
2015- 229,000 2015- 1,200,000
2016- 248,000 2016- 2,000,000
2017- 258,000 2017- 1,100,000
2018- 276,000 2018-

Ok, sorry. I read this article:

"The WNBA Playoffs has averaged 305,000 viewers across ESPN2, ESPNEWS and NBA TV, up 36% from last year (224K)."

Ratings: PGA, WNBA Playoffs, EPL, Racing

So, WNBA has higher only playoffs rating.

 

[eddygee]

Ok, sorry. I read this article:

"The WNBA Playoffs has averaged 305,000 viewers across ESPN2, ESPNEWS and NBA TV, up 36% from last year (224K)."

Ratings: PGA, WNBA Playoffs, EPL, Racing

So, WNBA has higher only playoffs rating.

Apology accepted, but you're still wrong the entire WNBA Playoffs including the WNBA finals averaged just 338,000. Looks like they bumped Playoff round and Finals coverage to ESPNEWS/ESPN2 because of years of poor ratings.

Ratings: WNBA, NFL Pregames, NFL OOH, CFB
"The full series averaged 481,000 viewers, down 14% from last year’s five-game series (559K) and the smallest average since 2013 (Lynx-Dream: 345K). Viewership did increase 3% from the first three games of last year’s series. The complete WNBA Playoffs, which included four games on ESPNEWS and none on ESPN, averaged 338,000 viewers (-2%).

The complete MLS Playoff average will be anywhere from 3-4x WNBA TV playoff average. MLS Playoffs are averaging 290k with the Conference Finals to go and MLS Cup gets 1-2 million viewers on average. So your math is off. But anyway, this particular topic doesn't exactly tie into NHL.

ESPN Networks FOX Networks Univision Networks

Knockout Round

FC Dallas vs Portland 227k UDN/UniMas Oct 31 Wed 930pm
NYCFC vs Philly 271k FS1/UniMas Oct 31 Wed 700pm
DCU vs Columbus 568k FS1/UniMas Nov 1 Thurs 800pm
LAFC vs RSL 487k ESPN2/ UniMas Nov 1 Thurs 1055pm

Conference Semis Leg 1

Portland vs Seattle 323k ESPN Nov 4 Sun 515pm
Columbus vs NYRB 257k ESPN Nov 4 Sun 300pm
NYCFC vs ATL UTD 225k FS1 Nov 4 Sun 730pm
RSL vs Sporting KC 145 FS1 Nov 4 Sun 1000pm

Conference Semis Leg 2
Seattle vs Portland 245K FS1 Nov 8 Thur 1030pm
NYRB vs Columbus 188k FS1 Nov 11 Sun 730pm
ATL UTD vs NYCFC 285k ESPN Nov 11 Sun 530pm
Sporting KC vs RSL 253k ESPN Nov 11 Sun 300pm

Most-watched soccer games on US TV for October 29-November 11, 2018 - World Soccer Talk

 

[ForumNamePending]

I think the NBA is far closer to NFL than NBA the MLB has long term demographics problems. On NHL and MLS as I said before the regular season is whats comparable not the playoffs. I'd wonder what regular season numbers NHL is drawing 417K about 1.5 times more eyeballs on average for regular season average than MLS 276k(remember the disparity in OTA games NBC vs FOX. The playoffs is what sets NHL apart and will be the saving grace for a big jump in TV revenue. My only contention is that regular season ratings can't continue to slide at some point that will affect the Future TV deal if it has not already.

-The numbers disagree.
-And given the playoffs account for >40% of the NHL's nationally broadcast games this is no small point.

 

[eddygee]

-The numbers disagree.
-And given the playoffs account for >40% of the NHL's nationally broadcast games this is no small point.

Hmmm I will look deeper at the NBA vs MLB ratings I was mainly thinking about playoffs, but you're probably right once you factor in regular season; which you definitely should. So I'll agree.

One my second point I see you agree with me. It would be nice to get the regular season numbers turned around though, so the playoffs don't have to be used as some sort of ace in the hole last resort come TV negotiations. NHL exec in negotiations: "I know our regular season numbers are way down, but look at these Stanley Cup Ratings". That comes off as negotiating with from a position of weakness. Vice " Look at our regular season numbers we've turned things around, we are very confident these numbers will keep trending up, and look at our always solid Stanley Cup Playoff numbers". The latter sounds a lot more like negotiating from a position of strength.

 

[S E P H]

Tier 1
NFL
NBA

Low Tier 1
MLB

Tier 2
NHL

Low Tier 2
MLS

Tier 3
WNBA
MLL

I would put NFL in Tier 1, NBA in lower Tier 1, MLB in tier 2, NHL in lower tier 2, and all the scrub leagues in tier 3.

 

[eddygee]

I would put NFL in Tier 1, NBA in lower Tier 1, MLB in tier 2, NHL in lower tier 2, and all the scrub leagues in tier 3.

Lol good one

 

[dortt]

The Sabres keep coming back and so are TV viewers

Buffalo Sabres averaging a 7.0 this year. Had a 9.7 last night vs Pittsburgh opposite of MNF

The Buffalo Sabres’ exciting, come-from-behind 5-4 overtime win over the Pittsburgh Penguins tied the team’s season-high rating of 9.7 despite being played opposite the best "Monday Night Football" game in years carried on ESPN.

To put the rating in perspective, the Sabres' games are out-rating all but a few prime-time entertainment programs this season.

 

[eddygee]

UPDATED: SHOWBUZZDAILY’s Top 150 Tuesday Cable Originals & Network Finals: 11.20.2018 | Showbuzz Daily

Tues., Nov. 20

Edmonton

San Jose

NBCSN

10:30 p.m.

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Oilers vs Sharks did not make the top 150.

 

[dortt]

13.8 rating in Buffalo for last night's game. Bet NBC wishes there were more than 5 national telecasts of Sabres games this year. Growing up there, it really is a Canadian hockey market in terms of the passion of the fans, as well as the scrutiny the players are put under

 

[stlwahoo]

Blues are better in TV ratings than on the ice

"Through Monday night it was down 13 percent from the same point last season. Nielsen, which tracks viewership, says 3.6 percent of homes in the market with a TV have been tuning in this season to the telecasts, on Fox Sports Midwest, after the rating at this stage last year was 4.1 — en route to finishing at 3.9.
Nonetheless, this year’s number puts the Blues among the top three U.S.-based NHL teams in ratings for locally-produced telecasts. And FSM often is the top-rated station in the market among male viewers when it shows the Blues in prime time."

 

[eddygee]

11/21/2018
UPDATED: SHOWBUZZDAILY’s Top 150 Wednesday Cable Originals & Network Finals: 11.21.2018 | Showbuzz Daily

98

NHL REGULAR SEASON L: PHILLY/BUFFALO

NBC SPORTS NETWORK

7:33 PM

157

0.08

290

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[Coinneach]

The Sabres’ 3-2 win over Detroit Saturday for their ninth straight win in a shootout had a 13.7 rating on MSG. That was only a tenth of a point lower than the previous season high for the Sabres’ 5-2 win over Philadelphia carried last Wednesday on NBCSN. Both games had ratings that were almost double the season average up to that point.

And the rating for the shootout that the Sabres won on a Sam Reinhart shot had a 19.7 rating, which is an incredible rating for any period of a regular season NHL game

Big wins mean big TV ratings for Bills and Sabres

 

[eddygee]

11/23/18
UPDATED: SHOWBUZZDAILY’s Top 150 Friday Cable Originals & Network Finals: 11.23.2018 | Showbuzz Daily

143

NHL REGULAR SEASON L: CHICAGO/TAMPA BAY

NBC SPORTS NETWORK

7:31 PM

155

0.04

160

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[eddygee]

Ratings: Apple Cup, NHL Black Friday, NASCAR Finales
So @Coinneach I have the NBCSN average at 292k not factoring the 4 games without released numbers that didn't make the top 150 and NBC at 1.2 mil. That look right? I know the raw numbers for the Rangers vs Flyers game hasn't been released but it was reported to be flat/even with last years Penguns vs Bruins game from the same time frame last year. That game drew 1.2 mil.

 

[Coinneach]

Ratings: Apple Cup, NHL Black Friday, NASCAR Finales
So @Coinneach I have the NBCSN average at 292k not factoring the 4 games without released numbers that didn't make the top 150 and NBC at 1.2 mil. That look right? I know the raw numbers for the Rangers vs Flyers game hasn't been released but it was reported to be flat/even with last years Penguns vs Bruins game from the same time frame last year. That game drew 1.2 mil.

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