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In typical Syon Strome fashion, he closed out the preseason with 5gp 4pts +3 and 54% FOs without anyone noticing. If a fortune teller told us this stat line a month ago, we'd all be thrilled. And yet as Strome does, I barely noticed it.

If he ever does hit his absolute upside, I promise we will see threads on the main forum like "Is Dylan Strome the Worst PPG Player in History?"
 

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He had a plus FO%? It seemed like whenever I checked the preseason box scores, he had more losses than wins. Well, good then.
 

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In typical Syon Strome fashion, he closed out the preseason with 5gp 4pts +3 and 54% FOs without anyone noticing. If a fortune teller told us this stat line a month ago, we'd all be thrilled. And yet as Strome does, I barely noticed it.

If he ever does hit his absolute upside, I promise we will see threads on the main forum like "Is Dylan Strome the Worst PPG Player in History?"
He's never been a flashy prospect in the traditional sense. It's not until you look at the stat sheet at the end of the day that you do the double take. Goes back to the draft threads about Strome.
 
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In typical Syon Strome fashion, he closed out the preseason with 5gp 4pts +3 and 54% FOs without anyone noticing. If a fortune teller told us this stat line a month ago, we'd all be thrilled. And yet as Strome does, I barely noticed it.

If he ever does hit his absolute upside, I promise we will see threads on the main forum like "Is Dylan Strome the Worst PPG Player in History?"

I think Strome deserves a spot on opening day, with some decent linemates (I liked Reider and Perlini) some PP time and after a few games revaluate if he should stick. This stat line is really enciuraging, especially the faceoff wins. I hope he wasnt dominant in one game to help pad this though.
 
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In typical Syon Strome fashion, he closed out the preseason with 5gp 4pts +3 and 54% FOs without anyone noticing. If a fortune teller told us this stat line a month ago, we'd all be thrilled. And yet as Strome does, I barely noticed it.

If he ever does hit his absolute upside, I promise we will see threads on the main forum like "Is Dylan Strome the Worst PPG Player in History?"
Lol he had 4 points? He's like a stealth bomber, no one sees him do it, shit just starts blowing up.
 

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I'll say one thing about Strome and that's that you really can't appreciate what he does on tv, it's hard enough live - under the radar = understatement. Where's the laugh emoji?

I'm thinking I may have to follow him exclusively for a few shifts (hoping not from now on :)), to help me understand his game better.
 

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He's never been a flashy prospect in the traditional sense. It's not until you look at the stat sheet at the end of the day that you do the double take. Goes back to the draft threads about Strome.

You have been telling us that for years. I did not see much of the preseason but what I saw Strome's skating has improved dramatically, or he is finally moving his feet all the time and not just coasting. He is also using his body much more.
 

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You have been telling us that for years. I did not see much of the preseason but what I saw Strome's skating has improved dramatically, or he is finally moving his feet all the time and not just coasting. He is also using his body much more.

I didn't watch him enough in preseason to make any determinations. It is good that he has produced some points. I don't think there is much doubt that keller and Strome will be productive. The question is how they do without the puck. As a winger, Keller has less responsibility, doesn't need to be outstanding (Reider), but he can't be poor (duclair) either, and I don't think he is poor. Strome has to be responsible because you can't hide a poor defensive C. His play without the puck will determine if he stays in the NHL to start the season.
 

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He's never been a flashy prospect in the traditional sense. It's not until you look at the stat sheet at the end of the day that you do the double take. Goes back to the draft threads about Strome.
Absolutely this.

Strome is a cerebral player. A LOT of his seemingly nothing plays are him placing the puck (or his body) in the best possible place on the ice. If you focus on him shift by shift you will be amazed at his passing and how often he is in the right place at the right time. Question has always been can he get around the ice fast enough - moving his feet, agility and quickness - in the NHL to play that game.
 

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Strome has improved his defensive contributions quite a bit. He was pretty rough in his draft year. In the WJC and Mem Cup he was actually good defensively. NHL is a different beast obviously
 

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I'm cautiously optimistic about Strome this year based on what he's shown in the preseason. He'll have some ups and downs but I think he'll spend the majority of the season with the Coyotes.
 

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Part about Tocchet (please read):
What a extremely diplomatic and positive way to deal with the Domingue question in an encouraging way. Compare that with how the last idiot would shit all over Louis and throw him under the bus every chance he got. Tocchet speaks and behaves like a coach. A person who's job it is to help his players get better.

WARNING: Part about Tippett (Do Not Read)
Not sure if Tippett ever thought that was his job. He was more of a get in line or get the hell out guy. His lack of creativity wasn't only evident in the systems he utilized but also in his approach to his job.
 
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Hello. Which line is Tobias Reider likely to end up on? What kind of minutes and point production do you guys expect for Reider with all the possible roster changes this season? Thanks
 

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Hello. Which line is Tobias Reider likely to end up on? What kind of minutes and point production do you guys expect for Reider with all the possible roster changes this season? Thanks
Numbers may dip. He may be stuck behind some more talented forwards this year, could be a 3rd liner with little PP time this year. He'll also likely be leaned on heavily to kill penalties. I don't think he'll dry up offensively completely though, I doubt our 3rd line is used in a traditional manner. He's also got to be good for some points off the PK.
 

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Hello. Which line is Tobias Reider likely to end up on? What kind of minutes and point production do you guys expect for Reider with all the possible roster changes this season? Thanks

Not sure how healthy the guy is. He's a speedster and an injury like that isn't easy to overcome. If he's 100% then he might be Arizona's best winger for another season. He played the last preseason game with Dvorak and Duclair. I'm not convinced Keller and Duclair will get consistent top6 minutes so Rieder should mostly play top6 with Dvorak or Stepan and probably linemates like Perlini, Domi or Fischer.
He'll probably be the go to guy again, maybe together with Domi. I expect the two to play heavy minutes. Points depend on team success and PP minutes. I think Rieder should get more offensive zone starts and more PP-time. He was one of the most effective forwards last season and he's one of the few vets on the team. Not sure the coaches feel the same. The team lacks reliable forwards and PK specialists which could be a problem and force Rieder to do stuff he shouldn't need to do once again.
 

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Numbers may dip. He may be stuck behind some more talented forwards this year, could be a 3rd liner with little PP time this year. He'll also likely be leaned on heavily to kill penalties. I don't think he'll dry up offensively completely though, I doubt our 3rd line is used in a traditional manner. He's also got to be good for some points off the PK.

Thank you! I was concerned about him being pushed down the depth chart too.
 

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Not sure how healthy the guy is. He's a speedster and an injury like that isn't easy to overcome. If he's 100% then he might be Arizona's best winger for another season. He played the last preseason game with Dvorak and Duclair. I'm not convinced Keller and Duclair will get consistent top6 minutes so Rieder should mostly play top6 with Dvorak or Stepan and probably linemates like Perlini, Domi or Fischer.
He'll probably be the go to guy again, maybe together with Domi. I expect the two to play heavy minutes. Points depend on team success and PP minutes. I think Rieder should get more offensive zone starts and more PP-time. He was one of the most effective forwards last season and he's one of the few vets on the team. Not sure the coaches feel the same. The team lacks reliable forwards and PK specialists which could be a problem and force Rieder to do stuff he shouldn't need to do once again.

I was ready to move on from Reider for my pool but you've drawn me back in. Thanks :)
 

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Numbers may dip. He may be stuck behind some more talented forwards this year, could be a 3rd liner with little PP time this year. He'll also likely be leaned on heavily to kill penalties. I don't think he'll dry up offensively completely though, I doubt our 3rd line is used in a traditional manner. He's also got to be good for some points off the PK.

It's also my fear that they'll make him kill too many penalties once again. Very little experience among the coaching staff. Rieder is way too experienced and consistent to play with Strome whose line shouldn't see too much action. If lines stays like that, I expect the 4th line of Richardson/Cousins to play significantly more than the Strome line (if he stays with the Coyotes) who should mostly get some quality minutes and offensive zone starts.
 
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I was ready to move on from Reider for my pool but you've drawn me back in. Thanks :)

Depends on how deep your pool is and what categories you have. Mines pretty deep and I wouldn't want Rieder :laugh:
But if he's 100% he'll definitely play heavy minutes again, no matter on what line he plays (again, I think he should play with Dvorak and Stepan only but you never know). Coyotes better hope that he didn't lose a step. They need him to play minutes. The guys who left the team played a lot and got replaced by rookies only.
 

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