Proposal: 2017 Trade Deadline Week: Targets and General Discussion

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DrunkUncleDenis

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So signing Stalberg at his 1.5M salary on July 1st would have put us over the cap?

Check the math on that chief.

What I'm saying is, all you've done is ***** and moan about how we could have signed a bunch of guys in the offseason instead of giving up assets at the deadline. We don't have the cash to be a cap team all year, so your argument for that is irrelevant.

What if we did spend to the cap, but don't make the playoffs? We'd be ****ed.

Burrows makes 3.5 this year. Plus Stalberg, that's 5 million we don't/didn't have. Regardless of what we still might do.

..Bud.
 

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Even with these depth acquisitions, we still won't beat Pittsburg or Washington in a 7 game series. Making it out of the Atlantic still looks like a long shot too.

We need Ryan to comeback from his injury with a fresh new pair of hands, reborn as the Messiah who will score clutch goals for us in the playoffs
 

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Two biggest reasons we didn't sign these guys on July 1st:

1) We didn't know MacArthur would go down and we'd get compensation

2) These guys have now already had 3/4 of their salaries paid.
 

DrunkUncleDenis

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Even with these depth acquisitions, we still won't beat Pittsburg or Washington in a 7 game series. Making it out of the Atlantic still looks like a long shot too.

We need Ryan to comeback from his injury with a fresh new pair of hands, reborn as the Messiah who will score clutch goals for us in the playoffs

Why does making it out of the Atlantic seem like a longshot?

Two biggest reasons we didn't sign these guys on July 1st:

1) We didn't know MacArthur would go down and we'd get compensation

2) These guys have now already had 3/4 of their salaries paid.

Exactly. Good point on Mac too.
 

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Even with these depth acquisitions, we still won't beat Pittsburg or Washington in a 7 game series. Making it out of the Atlantic still looks like a long shot too.

We need Ryan to comeback from his injury with a fresh new pair of hands, reborn as the Messiah who will score clutch goals for us in the playoffs

i would say we havve a good shot in the atlantic

just got to hope pittsburgh and washington kill each other
 

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What I'm saying is, all you've done is ***** and moan about how we could have signed a bunch of guys in the offseason instead of giving up assets at the deadline. We don't have the cash to be a cap team all year, so your argument for that is irrelevant.

What if we did spend to the cap, but don't make the playoffs? We'd be ****ed.

Again, what makes you think we didn't have the cash to sign a guy like Stalberg for 1.5M for 1 year?

Melnyk has said he's going to spend money to make this team competitive. We just gave Burrows a 5M deal over 2 years, we took on Wingels and Stalberg for 1.73M and 1.5M for the rest of the year and we're currently paying Hammond 1.35M to play in Binghamton.

I don't see the evidence for saying that Stalberg was not an option for this team until the deadline. Could have (and should have) signed him, had him all year, and kept the 3rd round pick. That's what a smart GM would have done.
 

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How would you guys feel about:

White
Pageau
Lazar

for

Duchene

Pageau is worth more to use than he'd be worth to COL in that package. There's like zero need for him to be in there. Secondly, we don't know if COL covets Lazar. They'd probably want a 1st or 2nd round pick instead. Lastly, that package is significantly lower value than the rumoured White/Ceci/1st package that COL was asking for and is wayyyyyyyyyy less valuable than the other obscene packages that have been rumoured from other teams during these Duchene talks.

If you replace Pageau with our 1st and completely ignore the prospect of us possibly having a budget in 2017-2018 season, yeah I'd do it. Duchene is more likely to play LW on our squad with Turris and Brassard already in the top 6 and neither being known to play wing like Duchene is. So there's not a need to include Pageau. Ultimately, I don't think COL does White+Lazar+2017 1st for Duchene.
 

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Two biggest reasons we didn't sign these guys on July 1st:

1) We didn't know MacArthur would go down and we'd get compensation

2) These guys have now already had 3/4 of their salaries paid.

Been saying this over in the trade thread. Mac going down and Puempel and Lazar being ineffective forced us to add depth.
 

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so how far is
1st + lazar/2nd(via lazar trade) + harpur/jaros + dzingel/gagne?

I don't think it's close. They can sit on their high ask because they actually don't need to get rid of him.

Probably best case scenario is we get away with a 1st, White and a lesser player/prospect.
 

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Ceci Dzingel Lazar 1st for Matt Duchene

Smith-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Ryan
Stalberg-Brassard-Burrows
Wingels-Pageau-Pyatt

Methot Karlsson
Phanuef Wideman
Freddy Boro
 

DrunkUncleDenis

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Again, what makes you think we didn't have the cash to sign a guy like Stalberg for 1.5M for 1 year?

Melnyk has said he's going to spend money to make this team competitive. We just gave Burrows a 5M deal over 2 years, we took on Wingels and Stalberg for 1.73M and 1.5M for the rest of the year and we're currently paying Hammond 1.35M to play in Binghamton.

I don't see the evidence for saying that Stalberg was not an option for this team until the deadline. Could have (and should have) signed him, had him all year, and kept the 3rd round pick. That's what a smart GM would have done.

Stalberg could have been available and within budget. But we chose to go with guys like Kelly and Pyatt (outside signings), Lazar and Puemps (internal players) instead. One out of 4 of these guys proved to be effective. So now management is like "oh ****, we need to bring Stalberg and Burrows in, 3 of our guys turned out to be dog turds. Hey Euge, it looks like we're going to make the playoffs, is it cool if we spend some more money on player salary for the last 1/4 of the season?"

And Euge is like "ya sure, I'll make millions from the playoff gate, let's do it."

But in order to do that at this time of year, you gotta give up assets.

COULD Stalberg have fit money-wise? Sure. But they chose to go with different players, and those players didn't work. There is a finite amount of roster spots, we can't just sign a bunch of dudes in hopes that 3 of 6 work out.

You're chastising them for trying to rectify a problem on the team because they see a good opportunity to make a bit of noise in the playoffs. I just don't get it.

Edit: I will acknowledge that we needed to sign another guy in the bottom 6. But that could actually an indication that we didn't have the money to do it (and therefore sign Viktor).
 

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senators101

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Again, what makes you think we didn't have the cash to sign a guy like Stalberg for 1.5M for 1 year?

Melnyk has said he's going to spend money to make this team competitive. We just gave Burrows a 5M deal over 2 years, we took on Wingels and Stalberg for 1.73M and 1.5M for the rest of the year and we're currently paying Hammond 1.35M to play in Binghamton.

I don't see the evidence for saying that Stalberg was not an option for this team until the deadline. Could have (and should have) signed him, had him all year, and kept the 3rd round pick. That's what a smart GM would have done.

You're totally right.

That NYR GM who built a team that is currently placed 6th in the league, who found a gem in Grabner and basically stole your boy Puempel after killing us in the Zibby trade is awful. He should have signed a Brendan Smith type player in the summer and just left his team status quo at this point. That's what a smart GM would have done.
 

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Ceci Dzingel Lazar 1st for Matt Duchene

Smith-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Ryan
Stalberg-Brassard-Burrows
Wingels-Pageau-Pyatt

Methot Karlsson
Phanuef Wideman
Freddy Boro

Duchene-Brassard-Stone
Hoffman-Turris-Burrows (Based on Dorion saying he'll be in the top 6)
Smith-Pageau-Ryan (Ryan is a checker now mmmkay)
Stalberg-Wingels-Pyatt
 

playasRus

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Ceci Dzingel Lazar 1st for Matt Duchene

Smith-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Duchene-Ryan
Stalberg-Brassard-Burrows
Wingels-Pageau-Pyatt

Methot Karlsson
Phanuef Wideman
Freddy Boro

We go from average D to bottom 10 D.
 

DrunkUncleDenis

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Means no takers for Lazar or our other spare parts.

No it doesn't. Removing lazar for (presumably) picks has no effect on if we have enough pieces. There is still another entire day of deals tomorrow.

This tweet by no means signals that we are done.
 

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You're totally right.

That NYR GM who built a team that is currently placed 6th in the league, who found a gem in Grabner and basically stole your boy Puempel after killing us in the Zibby trade is awful. He should have signed a Brendan Smith type player in the summer and just left his team status quo at this point. That's what a smart GM would have done.

Well first off, Smith was not available to sign in the summer.

Second, I don't approve of that trade from a Rangers perspective.

Third, the Rangers can get away with trading picks and prospects because they are able to sign guys like Hayes, Vesey and Gilmour for free.

And fourth, the Rangers are a much better team than us and have a much better chance of winning the cup than we do, which means mortgaging their future for short-term fixes makes more sense in their case.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2017/02/15...-open-wallet-for-sens-trades----within-reason

The news that Dorion got the go ahead to spend came out two weeks ago not at the start of the season. It was presumably related to the deadline. So your point makes no sense if it hinges on us being allowed to spend in the summer.

Stalberg cost Carolina 1.5M.

If we were to sign him it would probably cost around the same. Don't see a legitimate argument why Carolina is a much nicer place to sign than Ottawa.

That 1.5M is reduced when you consider that it would have pushed a guy like Lazar from the NHL to the AHL, and therefore from an NHL salary of 900k to an AHL salary of 70k. This means that the real cost of adding a guy like Stalberg would be 600k.

If the argument is that increasing our salary expenditure by 0.86% was unfeasible, you may want to re-think your argument.

Stalberg could have been available and within budget. But we chose to go with guys like Kelly and Pyatt (outside signings), Lazar and Puemps (internal players) instead. One out of 4 of these guys proved to be effective. So now management is like "oh ****, we need to bring Stalberg and Burrows in, 3 of our guys turned out to be dog turds. Hey Euge, it looks like we're going to make the playoffs, is it cool if we spend some more money on player salary for the last 1/4 of the season?"

And Euge is like "ya sure, I'll make millions from the playoff gate, let's do it."

But in order to do that at this time of year, you gotta give up assets.

COULD Stalberg have fit money-wise? Sure. But they chose to go with different players, and those players didn't work. There is a finite amount of roster spots, we can't just sign a bunch of dudes in hopes that 3 of 6 work out.

You're chastising them for trying to rectify a problem on the team because they see a good opportunity to make a bit of noise in the playoffs. I just don't get it.

Unlike you, I'm not going to give Dorion and our pro-scouts credit for assuming that guys like Kelly, Neil and Lazar were capable NHLers, thus making the signing of an NHL forward unnecessary. They misidentified those players as capable NHL forwards and now the franchise has paid the price of Dahlen and a 3rd.

If we had a smart GM who hedged his bets and didn't pencil players into spots without backup plans, we wouldn't have thrown away a 3rd round pick today. Heck maybe we don't even give away Dahlen yesterday if Dorion didn't sleep through free agency.
 
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