Prospect Info: 2017 Ranking #16

[tigervixxxen]

2017 PROSPECT RANKING
[table="head;width=800]RANK|PREV|CHNG|NAME|POS|TEAM|DRAFT|VOTES

1|New|N/A|Cale Makar|D|Brooks (AJHL)|#4 overall 2017|133 votes, 54.14%|

2|3|+1|Tyson Jost|C|University of North Dakota (NCHC)|#10 overall 2016|111 votes, 96.40%|

3|4|+1| JT Compher|C|San Antonio (AHL)|#35 overall 2013 (T)|107 votes, 60.75%

4|5|+1| Nicolas Meloche|D|Charlottetown (QMJHL)|#40 overall 2015|117 votes, 37.61%|

5|2|-3| Chris Bigras|D|San Antonio (AHL)|#32 overall 2013|111 votes, 53.15%|

6|6|0| AJ Greer|LW|San Antonio (AHL)|#39 overall 2015|115 votes, 53.04%|

7|New|N/A| Conor Timmins | D| Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)|#32 overall 2017| 89 votes 73.03%|

8|11|+3| Andrei Mironov|D|Dynamo Moskva (KHL)|#101 overall 2015|94 votes, 41.49%|

9|7|-2| JC Beaudin|C|Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)|#71 overall 2015|87 votes, 51.72% |

10|New|N/A| Igor Shvyryov| C| Stalnye Lisy Magnitogorsk (MHL)|#125 overall 2017| 89, votes 28.09%|

11|8|-3| Cam Morrison|C|University of Notre Dame (Big10)|#40 overall 2016|79 votes, 43.04%|

12|9|-3| Spencer Martin|G|San Antonio (AHL)|#63 overall 2013|70 votes, 57.14%|

13|18|+5| Anton Lindholm|D|San Antonio (AHL)|#144 overall 2014|71 votes, 57.75%|

14|New|N/A| Nick Henry | RW| Regina (WHL)|#94 overall 2017| 67 votes 68.66%|

15|New|N/A| Denis Smirnov| RW| Penn State University (Big 10)|#156 overall 2017| 55 votes 32.73%|


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Added: Mason Geertsen
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[AllAboutAvs]

Going for Clurman again then Boikov but they are close for me.

 

[Murzu]

Going for Clurman again then Boikov but they are close for me.

I was going to write this. I'll just say +1.

 

[Pokecheque]

Geez, I don't even know now...not like I really knew beforehand anyway, but now?

Anyway I went full Clurman because everyone else did. I suppose Boikov's next.

 

[Freudian]

Clurman being off the grid last year made it hard to figure out how he was doing but by all accounts he has a decent set of tools.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Voted Dunc. The rest are too unknown and raw. At least with him you know you're getting a top-3 AHL defenseman.

 

[UncleRisto]

It's time to add whoever here made the farthest in their hockey career to the poll.

 

[Tweaky]

Siemens add Kvaca

 

[Patagonia]

Voted Siemens again. I thought he would be just outside the Top 20...can't believe the level he's fallen. Yet, the AVs keep extending for another year, he must have some talent?

 

[UncleRisto]

Voted Siemens again. I thought he would be just outside the Top 20...can't believe the level he's fallen. Yet, the AVs keep extending for another year, he must have some talent?

Well, somebody's gotta be an AHL defenseman.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Oh add Werner over Kvaca, he's much further along and has a higher upside.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

So has Geertsen joined Siemens in the bust category? I remember being really stoked for him going pro.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

So has Geertsen joined Siemens in the bust category? I remember being really stoked for him going pro.

I'm curious if Geertsen was one of those guys who looked so good in junior simply because he was in a man's body as a teenager. Patrice Cormier syndrome. Then once everybody else reaches age 20-23 they grow into their bodies while said player didn't really get any better.

I'll say one thing about him. He trains hard. And that's based off nothing but my social media viewings but Mason Geertsen is in absolutely incredible shape.

 

[henchman21]

I went Clurman mostly because I value NHL upside more. Boikov is obviously the better player now and even may get a few NHL games, but I don't see enough upside for a long-term NHL future. He could be an excellent AHL defender for year, but I don't expect him to stick around long enough before moving home.

So has Geertsen joined Siemens in the bust category? I remember being really stoked for him going pro.

I agree with Eddie to an extent. Geertsen's final season he was just a physical beast compared to everybody else in the league and it showed. I think there is a point here though that he was just too refined in his game to have another step. IE watch Geertsen's skating. His stride and pivots are nearly perfect from a technical stand point. There isn't a hitch, he isn't off balance, he has full extension, etc. Technically, it is a great stride. The problem is that even with that technical perfection, his skating simply isn't good enough and there isn't any more room for him to grow in that area.

My other issue with Geertsen's development is that he seemed to lose the idea of what made him successful. He fell a bit too in love with his offensive game and tried to add more and more of that when he should have been focusing on filling a role first, then adding to his game. He was never going to be a 30 point guy, so focus on great defense and adding a physical element first and foremost.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I can see sometimes Geertsen thinks his offensive skills are better than they are but his problem to me is that in order to find a niche he fell into the enforcer trap and it kept him from developing as an actual defenseman. Dean did nothing for him his first season and then last year starting out injured because he had to fight in the rookie showcase didn't help either. At the very end of the season when they were using him as a real defenseman he looked better. He's got one more year. It's probably too late but we'll see how he's used.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

If we had an actual good AHL coach who didn't hate rookies, guys like Geertsen and Boikov and Bourke would have developed much better than they have been.

 

[tigervixxxen]

If we had an actual good AHL coach who didn't hate rookies, guys like Geertsen and Boikov and Bourke would have developed much better than they have been.

That's where the difference is, Boikov actually developed and I think EV was a help to that. Under Dean I'm not sure I saw any player develop. Mikko was pretty much good on his own.

 

[henchman21]

There are a few things you can say about Veilluex as a coach, but hating rookies certainly isn't one. He was willing to play Boikov, Greer, Lindholm, and Compher in significant roles. He won't just give it to players, but if they earn it, they will get their playing time.

Deaner had more of a vet tilt, but he also wasn't working with the greatest of talents. When a player did have some skills, they were played fairly IMO. Sgarbossa, Picks, Bigras, Z, Barrie, etc all got fair playing time as rookies. This is a chicken/egg situation.

That's where the difference is, Boikov actually developed and I think EV was a help to that. Under Dean I'm not sure I saw any player develop. Mikko was pretty much good on his own.

To me, Picks, Barrie, Z, and Bigras all did well under Dean. Even AHL lifers like Smith and Agozzino progressed. Dean failed on a lot of levels (including not developing players like Bourke), but he developed some players.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I understand that people like potential, but at this pace Clurman won't be in the NHL until he is in his thirties.

 

[cgf]

I understand that people like potential, but at this pace Clurman won't be in the NHL until he is in his thirties.

*shrug* he's 19. In 3-5 years he'll still just be 22-24. I voted for Boikov but Clurman is next on my list even with how much farther he has to go.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

*shrug* he's 19. In 3-5 years he'll still just be 22-24. I voted for Boikov but Clurman is next on my list even with how much farther he has to go.

22-24 is old for a freshman. Plus 4 years in college. Now he is 26-28. Add another 4 or so in the AHL adjusting to the pro level and he is right around thirty.

Just in case it's not obvious -

 

[cgf]

22-24 is old for a freshman. Plus 4 years in college. Now he is 26-28. Add another 4 or so in the AHL adjusting to the pro level and he is right around thirty.

Just in case it's not obvious -

I know you didn't literally mean he'd be 30 before we saw him, but if he's either NHL ready when he leaves college or needs just a year in the AHL, he'll still be starting his NHL career around the time a lot of dmen really make the break through. After Boikov, Nantel is the only other guy who I can see having any real NHL future, so Clurman shouldn't go much later even if his long track makes you wait until the very end of the NHL prospects.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

I didn't say he should be last.

 

[Pokecheque]

Just FYI, Jon Klemm was known as the "late bloomer," didn't become a full-time NHLer until he was nearly 30.