2017 draft talk (Finnish prospects)

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  1. edd1e

    edd1e Registered User

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    Seems to be a good year for Finnish d-men.

    My top 5 is something like this:

    1. Eeli Tolvanen
    2. Miro Heiskanen
    3. Kristian Vesalainen
    4. Juuso Välimäki
    5. Urho Vaakanainen

    How many Finnish players you see drafted?

    What is your top5, top10?

    How many first rounders?
     
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    Next draft seems exciting for Finland. Some of these kids will explode normally after the first half of hockey has passed so the list will vary throughout the season. Right now it would look like:

    Tolvanen
    Vesalainen
    Heiskanen
    Välimäki
    Vaakanainen

    It's not easy to predict the exact order they will be drafted but each one of them seem like having a blue chip over the shoulder. Having at least five Finns drafted in the first round would be fantastic. Adding the core from 2017 draft to what we already have going from this generation (Barkov, Laine, Puljujärvi, Ristolainen, Aho, Juolevi and Rantanen etc) is absolutely awesome.
     
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    Finnprospects.com has ranked their top-15 of this Finnish draft class here.

    Here's their top-5:

    1. Kristian Vesalainen
    2. Eeli Tolvanen
    3. Miro Heiskanen
    4. Juuso Välimäki
    5. Urho Vaakanainen
     
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    I'm very excited about next year's draft, as there could end up being as many as five or six Finnish-born first rounders. Some draft-eligibles in no particular order:

    Eeli Tolvanen
    Kristian Vesalainen
    Juuso Välimäki
    Miro Heiskanen
    Robin Salo
    Henri Jokiharju
    Urho Vaakanainen
    Eemeli Räsänen
    Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
    Aleksi Heponiemi
    Linus Nyman
    Kasper Kotkansalo
    Sami Moilanen
    Julius Mattila
     
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    Didn't really think much of him last season either but Emil Oksanen has completely fallen off. 1+1 in 9 games in Mestis. USHL/College route would've been perfect for him, pretty dumb decision to stay in Finland.
     
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    Here's my TOP5 right now

    1 Eeli Tolvanen
    2 Kristian Vesalainen
    3 Miro Heiskanen
    4 Juuso Välimäki
    5 Urho Vaakanainen
    Those are sure first rounders

    Also these guys might go 1st round
    Robin Salo
    Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
    Henri Jokiharju ( depends his regular season in WHL and U18 WJC's in Slovakia)
     
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    There's no such thing as a "sure first rounder". I believe that Tolvanen and Vesalainen are top10 at the moment, but rest of the guys can spread in a way no-one can predict. Best case scenario is 5 1st rounders for Finland. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with 3.

    - Stoat
     
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    FinnProspects.com new top-15 ranking is out here.

    1. Eeli Tolvanen
    2. Kristian Vesalainen
    3. Miro Heiskanen
    4. Juuso Välimäki
    5. Urho Vaakanainen
     
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    The examples of Barkov, Laine, Puljujärvi, Aho and Donskoi have shown the NHL teams that Finnish League is a good environment for young players to develop when they have a chance to play there before draft age. Therefore I believe that not only Vesalainen and Heiskanen, but also Salo and Vaakanainen can climb up in the rankings towards next summer, if they continue in a big role and are selected to U20 team.
     
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    99 borns Jesse Koskenkorva and Juho Korhonen making their debuts for Kärpät today.
     
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    How did that pan out?
     
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    Koskenkorva has played 4 games and looked solid in those. Has already scored twice and is a +4. Really smart player who constantly makes right decisions on the ice, owns a sharp wrist shot and is good defensively for his age. Not the most creative player but he can pass the puck pretty well. Could be a mid round draft pick if he sticks with the team for the rest of the season. Missed the last two games with illness.

    Korhonen didn't get any icetime in the game he dressed. I like his skillset but he is too small for an NHL prospect(Under 175cm).
     
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    He isn't any smaller than what Sami Vatanen or Vili Saarijärvi were during their draft year, so I'd say that the bigger shortcoming in Korhonen's game is his mediocre skating.
     
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    I think Vesalainen will drop out of 1st round. As i watch him play, i don't see nothing more than maybe 4th liner to some trash NHL team.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    I see him becoming solid third liner. Actually I think he could be one of the safest bets on late first or early second round on that aspect. He might not become elite player in offensive zone but he seems to have more than enough quality to become good all-round winger with decent (yet not excellent) skills, good size, good wheels, great work ethic and above average defensive awareness.

    While he has not been able to produce points as much as we all have hoped and his stock has dropped, it seems that people are starting to understate the kid. He is not that awful and he is still really promising prospect.
     
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    In some cases scouts might only tell him 90% of the truth, but Bob McKenzie's list is still the only ranking that gives us a some sort of idea how real NHL scouts view these players midway through the season:

    9. Eeli Tolvanen
    13. Miro Heiskanen
    16. Juuso Välimäki
    19. Kristian Vesalainen
    24. Urho Vaakanainen
    32. Henri Jokiharju
    34. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen
    64. Eemeli Räsänen
    70. Aleksi Heponiemi
    74. Joni Ikonen

    It's a bit surprising how high Räsänen is on that list, especially when guys like Robin Salo and Kasper Kotkansalo didn't even make the cut. It seems that having a 6'6'' tall frame and some physicality is still a highly valued combination in modern NHL, even if the prospect in question clearly needs to improve his skating and puck moving game quite a bit.

    BTW, how do you guys see the behemoth duo of Räsänen and Otto Latvala developing in the future. As it stands Räsänen is probably stonger and more advanced in some aspects of the game, but what about the long run?? Which one is going to have the better career and why?
     
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    I can't comment on the other prospects, but highly impressed by the play of Vaakanainen so far. Lots of good prospects especially D prospects coming out of Findland
     
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