Prospect Info: 2017 Draft Part II
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Frk It
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Former head scout of Mckeens and former NHL scout Grant Mccagg is worth a follow on twitter, enjoy reading his free articles.
Here's from an article on Heiskanen:
https://recrutes.ca/profile/miro-heiskanen/
Birko19
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The draft simulator keeps putting us in the 7-11 range for most part. I don't mind that actually since if we're not draftig in the top-2, there are many players I like who will be available.
If we somehow get lucky and draft in the top-2, I prefer 2nd overall tbh. I do think Patrick is better, but his injuries scare me, so I prefer another team make the choice between the two guys and we get the left over.
If we somehow get lucky and draft in the top-2, I prefer 2nd overall tbh. I do think Patrick is better, but his injuries scare me, so I prefer another team make the choice between the two guys and we get the left over.
Unfriendly Ghost
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Do we gamble on Liljegren? I think that's becoming the pressing question. It seems more and more likely that he'll be around when we draft.
If we're truly drafting 7-8-9-10, I would go for it. It's definitely a boom/bust pick, but he's got upside you shouldn't ignore at that draft position (and in this kind of a draft).
If we're truly drafting 7-8-9-10, I would go for it. It's definitely a boom/bust pick, but he's got upside you shouldn't ignore at that draft position (and in this kind of a draft).
Birko19
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Here's my order:
1- Nolan Patrick
2- Nico Hischier
3- Elias Petterson
4- Cody Glass
5- Miro Heiskanen
6- Timothy Liljegren
7- Casey Mittelstadt
8- Nick Suzuki
9- Juuso Valimaki
10- Gabriel Vilardi
One of these guys will be available for sure.
1- Nolan Patrick
2- Nico Hischier
3- Elias Petterson
4- Cody Glass
5- Miro Heiskanen
6- Timothy Liljegren
7- Casey Mittelstadt
8- Nick Suzuki
9- Juuso Valimaki
10- Gabriel Vilardi
One of these guys will be available for sure.
Go Wings
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Wouldnt mind Petterson at all. Seems to be a very smart player just needs to add weight and strength.
Vatican Roulette
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Thanks for the list.
Mine:
1. Hischier
2. Patrick
3. Mittelstadt
4. Heiskanen
5. Petterson
6. Liljegren
7. Glass
8. Brannstrom
9. Necas
10. Vilardi
KasperTheGrittyGhost
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With question marks around Liljegren, maybe Heiskanen can be the No.1 selected D at the draft. I like him a lot, although I have some doubts how his offense will translate to the NHL.
I dont't want to go with a top10, but first and foremost raw talent is what we need. So my top5 would be:
1. Patrick
2. Hischier
3. Mittelstadt
4. Pettersson
5. Heiskanen/Vilardi
TheGoldenJet
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Liljegren just might be around and yes, the Wings should definitely snatch him up if he falls to them.
HisNoodliness
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Yeah I'm still a fan of Liljegren, he's had a rough year, but you can still see that the talent is there. His skating is really good and I think he's just got higher upside than any of the other D.
Heiskanen continues to grow on me though. He's just a good player and I honestly think he ends up the first D taken this year. I think teams will view him similarly to Juolevi. Safe, smart, good pick. Lily could bust but if he's there where we pick I'll trust Hakan to make the right call.
Heiskanen continues to grow on me though. He's just a good player and I honestly think he ends up the first D taken this year. I think teams will view him similarly to Juolevi. Safe, smart, good pick. Lily could bust but if he's there where we pick I'll trust Hakan to make the right call.
Frk It
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Yup, that'd be the biggest thing for me. If we draft Liljegren it will have meant we got a blessing from Hakan to do so. Hasn't had a hit in awhile (hard when you don't get picks in first 2 rounds) but I trust his judgement over any of our other scouts.
The last time he was given a 1st round selection it was our best 1st round pick in the last 17 years.
Marky9er
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I doubt that we get the chance to draft him at this point. If people aren't interested in Vilardi or Tippett they should be happy to see them go.
My gut tells me that the Wings would take Heiskanen over Liljegren just to make sure that they have an NHL player with their first round pick. I haven't watched a ton of Heiskanen but I do find his game to be a bit more mature than Liljegren at this point. I am a big fan of mobile defensemen and would be equally happy with either. I also don't think that 2016 and 2018 alone are going to solve our issues on defense.
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Frk It
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Do the Wings have what it takes to get 2 of Heiskanen/Liljegren/Makar...
and get Dahlin
I've seen some suggest trading back and picking up more picks. That could work out alright.
I also wouldn't hate packaging picks and trading up for a late 1st and trying to grab Hague, Valimaki, Brannstrom, or Suzuki.
Heiskanen+Hague or Heiskanen+Valimaki with our first 2 picks would be pretty awesome, IMO.
ChicagoBullsFan
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If Red-Wings takes Heiskanen their 1st round pick what would be best route to develop Heiskanen for NHL defenceman.
Is it let him play TOP4 minutes in HIFK ( best scenario because i'm not high on that Finnish junior players goes to play in CHL or USHL)
or bring him to north-america if Saginaw or Flint drafts him in CHL import draft.
Heiskanen is promising dman but still bit raw he has to improve his physicality and defensive awareness before he's AHL or NHL ready.
But if Red-Wings takes Heiskanen they'll have still need for Center.
As we know Heponiemi is really promising young center but his small physical stature is a concern.
Heponiemi is project pick and he needs at least 2 more years in Swift Current and season or two in AHL before he's NHL ready.
So if you was red-wings GM who you would take ( Heiskanen or center like Hischier, Patrick, Vilardi, Pettersson, Andersson) 1st round pick.
Is it let him play TOP4 minutes in HIFK ( best scenario because i'm not high on that Finnish junior players goes to play in CHL or USHL)
or bring him to north-america if Saginaw or Flint drafts him in CHL import draft.
Heiskanen is promising dman but still bit raw he has to improve his physicality and defensive awareness before he's AHL or NHL ready.
But if Red-Wings takes Heiskanen they'll have still need for Center.
As we know Heponiemi is really promising young center but his small physical stature is a concern.
Heponiemi is project pick and he needs at least 2 more years in Swift Current and season or two in AHL before he's NHL ready.
So if you was red-wings GM who you would take ( Heiskanen or center like Hischier, Patrick, Vilardi, Pettersson, Andersson) 1st round pick.
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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Wouldn't shock me if Vilardi went top 3 or 4 after Patrick, Hischier and possibly Liljegren. Doubt we get that lucky but would love to have him if he fell to us.
I haven't followed the draft too closely, but have picked up interest as the date grows closer. The three names that interest me right now:
Pettersson
Liljegren
Heiskanen
1) Pettersson: you can't teach vision/creativity and elite skill, and from my understanding he has it in spades. Size, particularly weight, seems to be separating him from being a top 3 lock to potentially there whenever we pick. I've also heard he has an older brother that is also a twig though, which is a bit worrisome. Some people simply can't hold significant weight, so I get the risk. But Detroit needs to be thinking long term and not thinking this is going to be an overnight turn around. As a result, I'd take my chances on a high reward selection like this.
2) Lilegren. Long thought of as the top blueliner, but it's not all coming together. This pick scares me a bit. Tools are essentially useless without the toolbox. I have not watched him enough to say for myself that something is missing, but the reports certainly cause concern. An elite blueliner needs to be able to think the game at an elite level. If there's concern at this stage that's a red flag for me. If we're picking later and he's there then I'd be interested in the risk, but maybe not if the other two are available. With that being said, we need elite talent, so sometimes you have to take your chances.
3) Heiskanen. Maybe the safest pick? The reports read well: seems to do everything well and has NHL future. As much as we need elite talent, we also need depth talent. At the very least we want a Top 4 defencemen from this draft. Like I said, this wont and shouldn't be a one year turnaround. He seems like a safe, yet solid pick who thinks and executive the game well. If you can get a bonafide Top 4 blueliner around 10 that's not the end of the world.
Pettersson
Liljegren
Heiskanen
1) Pettersson: you can't teach vision/creativity and elite skill, and from my understanding he has it in spades. Size, particularly weight, seems to be separating him from being a top 3 lock to potentially there whenever we pick. I've also heard he has an older brother that is also a twig though, which is a bit worrisome. Some people simply can't hold significant weight, so I get the risk. But Detroit needs to be thinking long term and not thinking this is going to be an overnight turn around. As a result, I'd take my chances on a high reward selection like this.
2) Lilegren. Long thought of as the top blueliner, but it's not all coming together. This pick scares me a bit. Tools are essentially useless without the toolbox. I have not watched him enough to say for myself that something is missing, but the reports certainly cause concern. An elite blueliner needs to be able to think the game at an elite level. If there's concern at this stage that's a red flag for me. If we're picking later and he's there then I'd be interested in the risk, but maybe not if the other two are available. With that being said, we need elite talent, so sometimes you have to take your chances.
3) Heiskanen. Maybe the safest pick? The reports read well: seems to do everything well and has NHL future. As much as we need elite talent, we also need depth talent. At the very least we want a Top 4 defencemen from this draft. Like I said, this wont and shouldn't be a one year turnaround. He seems like a safe, yet solid pick who thinks and executive the game well. If you can get a bonafide Top 4 blueliner around 10 that's not the end of the world.
jnk96
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To be honest, I found his defensive awareness and positioning to be the best part of his game. Really stood out to me in that regard in the world juniors.
I think for the organisation that drafts him, the AHL would be preferable. That way they have a direct influence on his development, can frequently talk to him and have him train the way they want to.
I could see Heiskanen wanting to stay in Finland, though. Playing professionally at home generally sounds better than playing in some North American town, often "in the middle of nowhere" in the AHL or CHL.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Looking like we will be probably pick in the 7 to 10 spot, Hopefully Liljegren will be available if not Pettersson might be the next best move here.
Like him enough to take with a second? Or just looking at the OHL, are there other non-first round projected players you would want over him?
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