2017 Draft Discussion - Part I

[rt]

It may not be proper etiquette, but it is not tampering unless if a player is under contract.

He still needs to shut his dumb mouth and let hockey ops op the hockey.

 

[PhoPhan]

Kovalchuk is under contract, for all intents and purposes.

 

[IPreferPi]

Three NHL.com post-lottery mocks for the top 15. Two have us taking Makar, one Rasmussen (UGH).

https://www.nhl.com/news/mike-morreales-2017-nhlcom-mock-draft/c-289185820?tid=277764372

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-mock-draft-guillaume-lepage-projections/c-289186534?tid=277764372

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-mock-draft-adam-kimelman-projections-2017/c-289185814?tid=277764372

 

[XX]

I don't like the competition or path to the NHL with Makar. At his size, his ability to do certain things is limited, so it's not like he's got 1/2 upside IMO. With DeAngelo looking like he's going to be a thing, I don't see the need to force a D pick.

 

[IPreferPi]

I agree. We need to continue drafting D but I don't think there's that big of a drop off between Heiskanen/Makar/Liljegren and the rest of the D rated in the first round. More than happy just to sit with the MIN 1st and pick Timmins, Brannstrom, or Jokiharju there.

 

[rt]

Makar's chosen path is just plain stupid. He should've headed straight to Medicine Hat. If he promises to drop this hairbrained umass nonsense and get his ass is the Dub ASAP, I'd be tempted to think about him. Otherwise, let someone else deal with that Jankowski ass development track.

 

[Jakey53]

Teams making public comments about being interested in players still under contract to other teams = tampering. Not rocket science, it's codified in By-Law 15.

Even if Daryl's official relationship to the team now is possibly under question, its better to err on the side of caution instead of flapping your gums. Because the NHL has gone after seemingly innocuous comments for tampering before, most recently Jim Bening last summer.

As far as I know, he is not part of the team in any capacity. He is a fan stating his opinion, and even if he was part of the team what he said wouldn't be tampering.

 

[Jakey53]

NJ still has his rights in a way. Also, it's just common sense that you don't talk about players outside the organization unless it's praise. This ****** nozzle is also spouting off about potential draft targets.

So do most GM's when asked. Again, you are making much about nothing.

 

[Jakey53]

He still needs to shut his dumb mouth and let hockey ops op the hockey.

He's a fan, just like you and I.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

He's a fan, just like you and I.

For a smart guy, he should know that as an owner he has a responsibility to avoid putting the team in a bad light. If he wants to be a fan, let him join one of the hockey boards and post anonymously. If he wants to be an owner, he must act in a more constrained manner.

 

[Mosby]

Considering the success we've had with the OHL, maybe we just go Owen Tippett.



Strome vs. Tippett in the OHL Finals.

 

[Jakey53]

For a smart guy, he should know that as an owner he has a responsibility to avoid putting the team in a bad light. If he wants to be a fan, let him join one of the hockey boards and post anonymously. If he wants to be an owner, he must act in a more constrained manner.

He is not part of the owner group. Even if he was, he was just giving praise about a player. Our scouting staff have said Patrick is by far the best player in the draft. Is that putting the team in a bad light? Would you be saying that if Mark Cuban was the owner and starting spouting off like he always does?

 

[IPreferPi]

As far as I know, he is not part of the team in any capacity. He is a fan stating his opinion, and even if he was part of the team what he said wouldn't be tampering.

His Twitter bio explicitly says otherwise. And you may be willing to risk incurring a half a million fine because you can't shut yourself up, but I don't.

 

[IPreferPi]

Would you be saying that if Mark Cuban was the owner and starting spouting off like he always does?

Cuban has been fined up the wazoo by the NBA for his acts. But even he knows better than to cause any potential headaches for his management team.

 

[Jakey53]

His Twitter bio explicitly says otherwise. And you may be willing to risk incurring a half a million fine because you can't shut yourself up, but I don't.

The Coyote website does not have his name as owner. Regardless, what he said would no way be tampering. [MOD]

 

[Matias Maccete]

The Coyote website does not have his name as owner. Regardless, what he said would no way be tampering. For c----- sake guys give it a rest.

I don't think you realize how tightly some sports leagues punish "tampering". It's almost a deceiving label. In practice, when speaking about a player on another team, anything outside of the generic, 'He's a great player" is somewhat risky. I'm not sure how strict the NHL is relatively speaking, but if they're anything like the NFL it's pretty insane.

 

[IPreferPi]

Looks like Makar is the consensus pick for us at 7OA at the moment. Pretty sure everyone was expecting us to pick D last year all the way until Chayka picked Keller, right?

 

[Jakey53]

I don't think you realize how tightly some sports leagues punish "tampering". It's almost a deceiving label. In practice, when speaking about a player on another team, anything outside of the generic, 'He's a great player" is somewhat risky. I'm not sure how strict the NHL is relatively speaking, but if they're anything like the NFL it's pretty insane.

What did he say for it to be tampering? This kid is playing junior hockey, and my understanding Jones is not even part of the ownership group. Time to move on.

 

[IPreferPi]

What did he say for it to be tampering? This kid is playing junior hockey, and my understanding Jones is not even part of the ownership group. Time to move on.

The tampering charge was in specific reference to Kovalachuk.

 

[_Del_]

Had no idea that Kovy was playing junior hockey still... Talk to Ron Wilson about expressing interest in players whose rights you don't own.
Everything Mickey Mouse in this franchise is "Move along. Nothing to see here" for you. "That's right. The arena is a done deal. Move on". "Yes, we've missed the playoffs for five years running, but why go back that far? I have a new usher. Nothing before that counts. Move on"

 

[Jakey53]

The tampering charge was in specific reference to Kovalachuk.

Oh, ok, I thought we were talking about Jones commenting on the Makar kid from his home town, not Kovalachuk. I have no idea what he said regarding Kovalachuk, but if he is not part of the ownership group it wouldn't make a difference anyway. I was referring to post 876

 

[mouser]

Kovalchuk is under contract, for all intents and purposes.

Not for purposes of "tampering". He's free to talk to whoever he wants and there shouldn't be any restrictions on teams talking about him.

Even though there's no way he comes back to the league next season unless Jersey signs him. He could come back without any restrictions in 2018-19, but thinking he might want to get back in next year so he's not on a 35+ contract.

 

[Kaizen]

Why the difference 18-19 vs 17-18?

 

[mouser]

Why the difference 18-19 vs 17-18?

He'll be age 34 for 2017-18. At age 35 his name is removed from the retired list and he's free to sign with any team--NJ would no longer have any rights.

On a related note: NJ cannot trade Kovy's rights, and can't sign him until July 1st. So that takes any expansion draft or regular draft deals for Kovy out of the picture.

 

[Kaizen]

Why would a name be removed from the retired list at age 35? If they're retired at 34 chances are they'll still be retired at 35 (with notable exceptions).