Line Combos: 2017-2018 Sens

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  1. Micklebot

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    Hmmm....

    Sign Kulikov at ~2.5, Pageau at 2.75 Pyatt at 1

    Trade Brassard, 1 rd pick, White, Chlapik for Giroux

    Trade Boro and/or Wideman for futures

    Hoff-Giroux-Stone
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Smith-Pageau-Burrows
    Dzingel-White-Pyatt

    Kulikov-Karlsson
    Claesson-Phaneuf
    Chabot-Ceci

    Anderson
    McBackup (~1 mil)

    Comes in around 71 mil, need some cheap players for extra's, and royally messes things up come time to re-sign Turris, Stone, and Karlsson, but we'd look good for this coming season. Oh, also, I somehow kept White in the lineup when I said I'd trade him to Philly, just sign Colin White the retired Dman and send that over in the trade, hope they don't notice.
     
  2. FlapJackKing

    FlapJackKing Ottawa Senators

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    That's a lot of youth/inexperience/limited skill on the left side. Yikes!! I just don't see why we go out and get a RD instead of a LD.
     
  3. FlapJackKing

    FlapJackKing Ottawa Senators

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    As you said, adding any new long-term contracts (ie. longer than 2 years) is soooo risky and has the potential to cause a lot of problems ahead of the 19/20 season. This is why Thorton ("free")or Duchene (giving up assets) make more sense.
     
  4. Micklebot

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    The reality is in order to add a long term impact player, we need to shed one of Phaneuf of Ryan. It's still fun to see our team with an elite #1 though.

    Thornton would be ideal, as I think he'd be an effective #1 and would help a ton on the PP, I also think a 2 year deal is not outside the realm of possibilities, unfortunately he probably has zero interest in Ottawa.
     
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    Say we start the season without EK and Brassard, and that we resign all of our FA...

    Hoffman - Turris - Dzingel
    Smith - Pageau - Stone
    MacArthur - White - Ryan
    Stalberg - Pyatt - Burrows

    Chabot - Phaneuf
    Claesson - Ceci
    Harpur - Wideman

    Andy/Condon

    Yikes
     
  6. Que

    Que 2018-2019 Worst to First

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    If I had a guess before tomorrow we'll sign Kulikov for 3.4 million for one season. Purely based on his previous experience with Guy.

    Then we'll try to trade for a top six forward, hopefully a center. If the price on Duchene has gone down we might be in luck there.
     
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    Don't sign anyone, leave some spots for the NHL ready prospects.

    Hoffman- Turris- Stone
    MacArthur- Brassard-Ryan
    Dzingel- Pageau - White
    Smith- Paul - Burrows
    Pyatt

    Claesson - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Chabot - Wideman
    Boro
     
  8. Micklebot

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    There is no way Pyatt is an extra forward... Boucher loves that guy.

    I'd like to see if we could add a guy like Kulikov to insulate the LD a bit; I'd also explore options like Grigerenko (high end talent reclamation project) and Jagr (mentor for some of our younger guys)

    If we sign Kulikov, I'd look to move both Wideman and Boro, making room for Chabot, Claesson, and Harpur to fill out the roster.

    I suspect only one of White or Paul makes the roster out of camp, though the surgery to Brassard might mean an extra rookie makes the cut.
     
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    Pyatt was a scratch for a couple of playoff games no?
     
  10. Micklebot

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    Kulikov's contract will be an interesting one. He may choose to sign dirt cheap in the right situation to rebuild his value for the next contract, or sign at a more 'fair' price if he want's instant gratification. I'd be ok with giving him 1 or 2 years, but would really have to weigh the pros and cons for a longer deal.
     
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    This team currently has a log jam on defense with the amount of NHL/almost NHL ready prospects at the door and need playing time to develop.

    You already got

    Karlsson
    Claessson
    Ceci
    Phaneuf
    Wideman
    Boro

    and then that will push for spots this year
    Chabot (Nothing to be said)
    Harpur (Played NHL games)
    Englund (Management loves him)
    Jaros (All the impressions that he basically NHL ready)
    Lajoie (A sleeper prospect, Boucher loved this dude last summer)
    Wolanin ( Has looked good in dev camp)

    We might have to trade one of Wideman and Boro to clear some roster spots for these dudes.
     
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    hoffman turris stone

    macarthur brassard ryan

    smith pageau dzingel

    pyatt white burrows


    claesson karlsson

    phaneuf ceci

    chabot wideman


    anderson

    condon
     
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    I'm pretty sure he was hurt.
     
  14. Micklebot

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    He got a concussion from a bit of a dirty hit against boston; Never a healthy scratch to my knowledge,
     
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    With the loss of Methot & possibly Karlsson, the last thing we need is to get rid of proven defence, until a few of those rookies are proven. That isn't going to happen overnight.
     
  16. aragorn

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    Based on the internal budget, who is left to sign, one way contracts, who played well in the playoffs & who is healthy to start the yr this is my guess as to who starts the yr in Ottawa. Brown might get a 9 game stint before the decision is made as to whether to send him back to junior. I would guess Claesson starts with Karlsson but every other defencemen may also spend some time with Karlsson to spread the minutes around. Smith & Hoffman could again get played on different lines to spread the scoring around. I think White & Chabot spend some time (months) in Bellville to refine their game & learn the pro game, speed & decision making. Paul is older, looks NHL ready & has the size & strength to compete with NHL players. We'll see.

    Smith - Turris - Stone
    MacArthur - Brassard - Ryan
    Hoffman - Pageau - Pyatt
    Dzingel - Paul - Burrows/McCormick

    Claesson - Karlsson
    Phaneuf - Ceci
    Boro - Wideman/Harpur

    Anderson - Condon/Dreidger
     
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    This is how I see it as well, though I think Chabot slots in to the #5 spot sooner than you think. I'm not sure he spends time in Belleville honestly.

    Glaring needs I see: top 6 LW, top 9 RW.
     
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    Agreed,i find the RW a little more pressing.Its far too slow,it needs an injection of some speed
     
  19. aragorn

    aragorn #Boucherout

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    Pyatt played 3rd line RW for most of last yr with Pageau & I have a feeling that won't change this yr & Burrows also played RW on & off since we acquired him. Unless there is a trade I don't see any of that changing this yr & then there is White who they can play at C or RW. The left side is basically the same thing, even if Mac doesn't last long Dzingel can replace him again & they have some left wing depth. I'm not sure we see any changes until the deadline or next season. :shakehead
     
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    I think he has interest in Ottawa now would he be willing to take a 2 or 3 year deal I am not sure.
     
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    Start of the year lineup, assuming one UFA acquisition (Kulikov) and one more re-signing (Stalberg).....

    Hoffman - Turris - Ryan
    Smith - Brass - Stone
    Mac - Pageau - Burrows
    Dzingle - White - Stalberg
    (Pyatt)

    Phaneuf - Karlsson
    Claesson - Ceci
    Kulikov - Harpur
    (Boro, Wideman)

    Andy/Condon
     
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    Reasonable. I suspect McCormick plays in Bellville.
     
  23. Viletho

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    He was a "healthy scratch" at some point in the playoff but it was after being cleared to play and the team was playing well.

    After being insert, he was not taken out.
     
  24. aragorn

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    Interesting to see someone else think Paul can play 4th line centre. Disagree White will replace Pyatt though & Chabot Boro, IMO both start in Bellville.

    All three extras should probably start in Bellville McCormick, Harpur & Dreidger at least until the first injury & it will give Ottawa some space to keep Brown for a few games or to try a couple of other guys should they want to do that.
     
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    We came close last season. We will need a better team this year to improve. There are no guarantees that we will enjoy the same success with the same cast of characters. Essentially, we need at least the same production from the vets, and the younger guys need to step up
    IMO, the projected lineup isn't enough. We need a proven 35+ goal-scorer and another top pairing defenseman.
     
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