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Discussion in 'Washington Capitals' started by g00n, Nov 10, 2017.

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  1. marcel snapshot

    marcel snapshot Registered User

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    That's on Ted and Patrick. They've always viewed Ovie as their meal ticket. And the team as Ovi and the Ovi-Ettes. And the coach's job is to make sure Ovi is happy. And then they wonder why they don't get out of the 2nd round. Like maybe a successful NHL franchise has to be more than catering to one guy. Somebody the other day was fulminating about the get Ovie 50 goals thing in game 82, and it was spot on. why does anyone give a **** about 50 goals in the regular season. its as worthwile as a Southeast Division champ banner or Presidents Cup trophy. i dont blame Ovie for this. It's on Ted and Patrick more than anyone else
     
  2. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    They’re not that great if they can’t mature and evolve as players.
     
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    I think there would be a different interpretation of the Boudreau years if their goaltending and defensive talent was anything but garbage. When you’re backstopped by Theodore, Varlamov, Neuvirth, and the corpse of Kolzig and your blue line has the likes of Jurcina, Erskine, Morrisonn, and Pothier playing significant minutes no team is going to look good defensively.

    I’m not convinced he was the guy to take them to the Cup due to his deficiencies elsewhere as a coach but his reputation as a guy who didn’t give a **** about defense and let his stars run loose is completely unfounded, especially given what he has done in Anaheim and Minnesota to build them into strong defensive teams.
     
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    the team that learned from boudreau is gone, there is only ovi and backstrom, maybe carlson, so your point is invalid. also choaches come and go in other organizations as well even on the cup winners. boudreau took the team in free fall and immediately improved... they won with him and before they mostly lost without him. boudreau implemented run and gun, u may not like it but it was still developed and got them always a good record in the nhl. u making bruce responsible for the faults this team has, 10 years after he took over is just bs. back then i called for his head when he changed run and gun into a complete opposite which in retrospect was the most stupid thing to do... it opened the doors for hunter, oates that just wasted time.
     
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    That's Fehr's goal, no?
     
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    They should, the Jackets are a trash team that always folds under pressure. Yeah they go on hot streaks once in a while but a competent team should put them down in 5, 6 at the most.
     
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  7. CapitalsCupReality

    CapitalsCupReality It’s Go Time!!

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    I've never seen a more bi-polar start to a series than this Pens/Flyers series so far.
     
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    RandyHolt Keep truckin'

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    Manning with a mini hal gill'd moment there

    Brassard clearly has been coached to whine on every penalty
     
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    Best way I heard it described was that it’s similar to a competitive NBA series in that it might go to 6 or 7 games but each individual game is a blowout.
     
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    Are the Caps competent?
     
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    We'll find out soon!
     
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    EVERY single series the team with the better regular season possession numbers is leading, every one. I would bet a large sum of money that the Bruins win the Cup this year.

    This **** isn't rocket science:

    Bruins (2) - Leafs (17)
    Bolts (7) - Devils (21)
    Caps (24) - Jackets (9)
    Pens (5) - Flyers (18)

    Knights (13) - Kings (16)
    Sharks (12) - Ducks (22)
    Jets (8) - Wild (30)
    Preds (10) - Avs (27)

    It's the most predictable thing and yet fans, not necessarily us, want to dismiss it. Caps finished fourth last season and I really thought that was the key. :(

    The only outlier the last few seasons is the Pens, but apparently having two of the top three players of the last twenty years on your team is enough to overcome not having the puck a lot.
     
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    I don't see Team(1) on the list. If possession is important, how did the best possession team not even get into the playoffs (where >50% of the sample show up)? And if the response is that RS possession isn't everything, then why use RS data to prove a point?

    Not a complete disbeliever, but (as you observe w Pens) it's but one factor.
     
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    Year in and year out it is THE most important factor. And nope the Canes didn't make the playoffs but had they I would have picked them to any series they played until they got to the Pens. ;)
     
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    Canes need better goaltending. Hard to overcome mediocre (much less crappy) goaltending even with the best possession stats.
     
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    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    It's not an exact science. The Caps are dominating the Blue Jackets and have the most shots this postseason yet are down 2-0. Timely goaltending from Grubauer and this series is 2-0 the other way.
     
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    In the end, the team with better possession numbers over the long haul will win, they usually do. The only thing that changes it is an epic goalie performance (good or bad).

    I hope I'm wrong.
     
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    TO takes a 2-goal lead v Bs with 3:35 remaining. That (formerly) hapless franchise is one I could root for. Ballard's "leadership" really throttled that team for years past his demise.
     
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    Pierre refers to Marleau as the grandpa and Marner as the grandson. Even if the male line is fathering kids at age 15, we're talking a 50 year old playing with a 20 year old or a 45 year old with a 15 year old?
     
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    There is no such thing as a possession stat.
     
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    What possession numbers are you talking about? There is no true possession stat.
     
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    I wish I could like this comment a million times.
     
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    CF% is pretty much the universal possession stat. Caps are 24th, only two playoff teams are lower, all three will be gone by the end of the week.

    Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

    Some people prefer xGF%, Caps are 25th in that one. :(
     
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  24. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    This New Jersey / Tampa Bay game is nutty.
     
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    maybe there is no such thing in a literal sense, but CF is considered by almost all as an acceptable proxy
     
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