Blue Jays GDT: (2016 v23) Next: @ BAL| Mon, Aug 29| 7pmET/4pmPT | Estrada vs Miley

[eddieO]

You don't need hindsight to justify the Happ and Estrada deals over Price though. Many of us were arguing in favour of those deals since the beginning.

I like that Shapiro and Atkins didn't go for the splashy deal which could've turned out to be an anchor contract later on. Happ and Estrada were fantastic, smart deals that worked out. Was happy then and I'm happier now.

 

[Woodman19]

I like that Shapiro and Atkins didn't go for the splashy deal which could've turned out to be an anchor contract later on. Happ and Estrada were fantastic, smart deals that worked out. Was happy then and I'm happier now.

The other underrated benefit is, its much easier to move out from your mistakes with short term deals. Storen and Chavez were cast aside like nothing when we had a chance to upgrade.

 

[habamillions]

What was Price's WAR vs those two careers before that season? Hindsight is 20/20 man.

I dont care about war and all that crap. You just cant pay a guy 1million dollars a start. You get 2 for the price of one. no pun intended. plus extra cash

 

[Eyedea]

Oh look who's here.

Sorry, when I see people talking about hindsight being 20/20 with regards to signing someone to a 7/217 contract I guess I just gotta reply to it.

As good as Price is that contract is capable of crippling a team like the Jays.

 

[Acoustic]

I dont care about war and all that crap. You just cant pay a guy 1million dollars a start. You get 2 for the price of one. no pun intended. plus extra cash

I hear ya man, that's not what I was implying.

 

[Acoustic]

Sorry, when I see people talking about hindsight being 20/20 with regards to signing someone to a 7/217 contract I guess I just gotta reply to it.

In a strictly WAR sense, which I what I was responding to, not a money sense, in the past there was no comparison.

 

[Eyedea]

There still isn't a comparison based on WAR. But in terms of surplus value yes, they have similar value.

 

[habamillions]

In a strictly WAR sense, which I what I was responding to, not a money sense, in the past there was no comparison.

Price is an elite regular season pitcher. no question about it.

 

[eddieO]

There still isn't a comparison based on WAR. But in terms of surplus value yes, they have similar value.

Term is a huge factor people sometimes disregard. Price's contract looks like it could be negative value in a few years if his velo drops. Everything about fans clamoring for Price at 7/217 was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now.

That type of contract would destroy all of our flexibility for years to come.

 

[JS19]

You don't need hindsight to justify the Happ and Estrada deals over Price though. Many of us were arguing in favour of those deals since the beginning.

Really? I was in favour of the Happ deal because I liked his chances of continuing his Pirate success, but I remember a lot of people were assuming that we got 2012 Happ again instead of 2015 Happ in the older threads.

 

[Eyedea]

Really? I was in favour of the Happ deal because I liked his chances of continuing his Pirate success, but I remember a lot of people were assuming that we got 2012 Happ again instead of 2015 Happ in the older threads.

2012 Happ was good so I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Most of the regular posters were favourable to him (and some were cautious but had hope), Zeke was really just the bad apple of the bunch.

 

[Discoverer]

2012 Happ was good so I wouldn't have had a problem with that. Most of the regular posters were favourable to him (and some were cautious but had hope), Zeke was really just the bad apple of the bunch.

Pretty much, yep. If he pitched to his career averages, it would have been a break-even type deal. If his Pittsburgh changes were even somewhat sustainable, it would have been a bargain. There was very, very limited downside at the time of the signing.

I loved the Happ/Estrada diversification moves rather than spending all available money on one guy and going with a stars and scrubs rotation, and I think most people either agreed, or at least understood they idea behind it. The signings looked good at first, and they only looked better when guys like Chen, Leake, and Kennedy started signing for $70+ million. I think a lot of the issue with some of the more negative posters is that they underestimate the difficulty of finding average starting pitchers for cheap, so signing Price seems like a great idea to them because they can just go out and sign a bunch of cheap reclamation projects and let them duke it out.

 

[Muston Atthews]

I like that Shapiro and Atkins didn't go for the splashy deal which could've turned out to be an anchor contract later on. Happ and Estrada were fantastic, smart deals that worked out. Was happy then and I'm happier now.

But you'd trade Sanchez for Votto... Interesting

 

[Paladin2799]

But you'd trade Sanchez for Votto... Interesting

Would I have traded sanchez for votto at the beginning of the season? Hell yes.

Would I trade sanchez for votto now? hell no.