2 games in, "Man Ceci is brutal. Trade him for a page of pucks!"
Yeah! Page of pucks!
2 games in, "Man Ceci is brutal. Trade him for a page of pucks!"
Ya, Cory Schneider, a top 5 proven young goalie at that time, returned only a 9th overall pick.
Murray has had a great resume to date but isnt as proven in the NHL as Schneider though some of u may disagree. I wanna see another great season first.
I would trade our first for Bishop depending on where we are at the deadline (along with a negotiated contract extension obviously)
If Ottawa needs to move a 1st (or more) for a goalie then the organization has seriously screwed up asset management.
They have had plenty of time to groom a replacement for Anderson.
Knowing how our org operates, I imagine we will wait and give one of Driedger/Hogberg a chance to be the starter when they are ready, and as a result either ride Andy until he's broken, or acquire a veteran "placeholder" starting goalie until one of our kids are ready.
This is not the org, in my eyes, that make trades for in-their-prime starting goalies asking for a top-5 salary at their position (Bishop) or young goalies who will command a premium-plus return via trade without first trying our own guys out at the position first.
That's just how I see it playing out.
This place man....
End of last season "We have to protect Ceci, we are going to lose Methot."
2 games in, "Man Ceci is brutal. Trade him for a page of pucks!"
Bishop will be one of the next massive mistake of contracts handed out to a desperate GM.
There's no question the Sens have awful asset management, but I don't think this would be bad asset management.
We had a replacement for Anderson. We traded him for a 1st (White).
Given that we have already gained a 1st-round quality prospect in exchange for our young future starting goalie, I don't really have a problem trading a 1st + more for a far superior starting goalie. In terms of assets in-versus-out, it's almost even.
or by a GM who is trying to contend. Throwing money or assets to gain a massive improvement in arguably a teams most important position has absolutely nothing to do with desperation.
Yes, we likely need an upgrade in nets especially since Anderson is getting up there in age. That being said there will be goalies becoming available due to the expansion draft, ones that we likely wouldn't have to pay a first for. Let's take Fleury for an example, assuming Ottawa is on his list or he waives for us. I doubt Pittsburgh would expect a first rounder in a deal for him. Is the upgrade of Bishop over Fleury (or a comparable guy) really worth losing a first for. Not to mention we would then have to probably give Bishop a contract at least equivalent to one he would have gotten in FA.
Yes, we likely need an upgrade in nets especially since Anderson is getting up there in age. That being said there will be goalies becoming available due to the expansion draft, ones that we likely wouldn't have to pay a first for. Let's take Fleury for an example, assuming Ottawa is on his list or he waives for us. I doubt Pittsburgh would expect a first rounder in a deal for him. Is the upgrade of Bishop over Fleury (or a comparable guy) really worth losing a first for. Not to mention we would then have to probably give Bishop a contract at least equivalent to one he would have gotten in FA.
As for Fleury, he's about the last goalie I'd ever want on my team. He's collapsed so many times in big situations and Ottawa wants to be a successful playoff team. I don't know how we could ever do that with a guy like MAF in goal. Everyone on the team would be just waiting for him to implode in April. Not only this but he actually makes more money than Andy, which is a big deal for a budget team.
I mentioned Lalime and Clouthier because they were the best examples of playoff choking goalies I could think of besides MAF.
If Ottawa needs to move a 1st (or more) for a goalie then the organization has seriously screwed up asset management.
They have had plenty of time to groom a replacement for Anderson.
that deal in a nutshell would be pure admittance by management of not having the right vision for this team. They already had Bishop within the system, then to acquire him back after having made waves of having to move him to make room for Lehner/Anderson tandem. IMO I Cannot foresee that happening. Could you foresee that?
Maybe Foligno in CLB ,with half his salary retained could be useful ...maybe??
Yeah ok that makes sense for sure ,just trying to look for some sort of LW option to help round out our top 9 .That wont cost a arm and leg .Macarther,s concussion troubles,make me wonder if we will have get him back to the way he was.Its been sooo long since we have a good two way LW in the top 6I don't think they do that. They are a budget team, it would make more sense for them to keep him and hope he bounced back than to retain half his salary and then pay nearly 1M for a replacement body on the roster. He isn't a Clarkson level albatross or anything, he seems to be in sort of a similar situation contract value wise to Bobby Ryan. As in he is a player who signed at a very advantageous time and as a result is overpaid relative to his position, but can still be a good player and contribute. (not saying Ryan and Foligno are equal)
Foligno is a good player who probably would have gotten somewhere around 4M based on his career average. He makes 5.5M with a scary amount of term.
He also might have a full NTC. Per generalfanager: NMC for all years, NTC for 2015-16 through 2018-19. Partial NTC in 2019-20 and 2020-21 I assume because they stipulate that it is a partial starting in 2019 that it must be a full for the previous years he has a NTC. Would he waive to go to Ottawa? Maybe. But I don't think we take on that contract and I don't think CBJ retains.
Would he really want to stay with the Pens if it becomes clear that they don't want/need him with the emergence of Murray and the expansion draft looming?
Also can't the Pens as a last resort simply buy him out. Obviously they'd prefer to trade him but if that doesn't happen...
Backup plan expansion draft related 2017 off season goalie related trades if Anderson regresses...........
-Anderson to PITs for Fleury (Pits needs to shed NMC/Gets veteran backup for Murray)
-Anderson+(???) to CHI for Crawford (Disclaimer, I don't see this one happening......but who knows the Blackhawks are always trying to clear cap and maybe they have the same hard on we do for bringing in local players. Obviously it is a contradiction because if Anderson has regressed to necessitate the trade....why would they want him?)
-Methot to COL for Calvin Pickard or Semyon Varlamov/Anderson to another team for a late pick if Varlamov or Hammond w/Methot ot COL if Pickard (Beauchemin waives his NMC or is bought out. COL protects 4-4 in the expansion draft. Get a big minute munching #3 LD to replace an ageing Beauchemin. Ottawa only does this trade if they feel strongly that Methot will be taken in the expansion draft because they cannot protect him.)
-Anderson and Erik Karlsson to MTL for Eller/Desharnais/Angrighetto (helps us clear cap since we're a budget team and according to MTL people on the trade board these three are really good players that other teams should take in packages for stars)
-Anderson and Erik Karlsson to MTL for Eller/Desharnais/Angrighetto
Backup plan expansion draft related 2017 off season goalie related trades if Anderson regresses...........
-Anderson to PITs for Fleury (Pits needs to shed NMC/Gets veteran backup for Murray)
-Anderson+(???) to CHI for Crawford (Disclaimer, I don't see this one happening......but who knows the Blackhawks are always trying to clear cap and maybe they have the same hard on we do for bringing in local players. Obviously it is a contradiction because if Anderson has regressed to necessitate the trade....why would they want him?)
-Methot to COL for Calvin Pickard or Semyon Varlamov/Anderson to another team for a late pick if Varlamov or Hammond w/Methot ot COL if Pickard (Beauchemin waives his NMC or is bought out. COL protects 4-4 in the expansion draft. Get a big minute munching #3 LD to replace an ageing Beauchemin. Ottawa only does this trade if they feel strongly that Methot will be taken in the expansion draft because they cannot protect him.)
-Anderson and Erik Karlsson to MTL for Eller/Desharnais/Angrighetto (helps us clear cap since we're a budget team and according to MTL people on the trade board these three are really good players that other teams should take in packages for stars)