Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part XIII

[Benjamin]

Hawks scout us every game.

 

[BigRig4]

Montreal is my bet.

Yeah same. Just a gut feeling.

 

[BigRig4]

Hawks scout us every game.

NJ as well

 

[jhutter]

If that was the case how come so many teams want them.

Because they're good prospects that will most likely have strong careers? I'm not trying to say that they're bums, just that I'm not convinced that they're players that you "build around". Those kinds of players are few and far between.

Remember that this is the same organization that tremendously overvalued Cowen, and is currently making the same mistake with two other young players.

 

[Knave]

I'm assuming a lot of the scouts are here to see if Lazar is worth picking up or trading for (when the price comes down).

He looks like he's done here but maybe he turns it around somewhere else. It's a low-risk gamble if you can get him and turn him into a serviceable NHL player. Lazar is done here. There's no turning it around here.

 

[Studzle]

I'm assuming a lot of the scouts are here to see if Lazar is worth picking up or trading for (when the price comes down).

He looks like he's done here but maybe he turns it around somewhere else. It's a low-risk gamble if you can get him and turn him into a serviceable NHL player. Lazar is done here. There's no turning it around here.

Lazar not playing with a UB injury tonight.

Probably just keeping him safe for his flight out on Wednesday.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Montreal is my bet.

I can't see the sens paying up a 1st for Hanzal but a 3rd + Lazar would be sweet

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It's not as much as wanting more from hoffman as it is his role on this team. IF we get Duchene, and Hoffman doesn't provide more than he does now, then we can look at trading him for someone else who provides diff elements since Duchene is similar to Hoffman but provides more pros to this team.



lol people need to stop comparing mistakes of players to others without analyzing the good. Yes, Karlsson makes some brutal mistakes sometimes... but he's also the best offensive defender in the NHL, top 3 takeaway artists, shot block specialist, best transition and breakout player, best puck possession player etc...

What does Hoffman have aside from speed and goalscoring?

Before comparing player mistakes, look at the pros vs cons. If Hoffman was excellent defensively and was excellent puck possession player than i dont give a **** if he plays casually sometimes and even costs us some goals.

Isn't a he a good possession player though.

Also "speed and goals" is super valuable. Those two traits together aren't some thing you go "but what else does he bring!" After mentioning them.

 

[Agent Zub]

lol no stop, that's not what we're doing. What's funny is whenever someone brings up a criticism, some people (not saying you) make blatant remarks like those criticisms are unwarranted. And yet some of those posters, and everyone else in general, are confused why we miss the playoffs or dont go for or ask "whats wrong with this team?"

Sens are brutal as a team in puck possession, hoffman being among the best doesnt mean much. i may have higher expectations for him but it's cause i want him to be more than a Ryder. He has shown spurts of excellent ability and has improved his game much more but there's still a reason why he plays on that Pageau line and isn't a mainstay in the top 6 like a Stone or Turris is.

He plays on the Pageau line because he is one of the few players on our roster that can create offense himself. It's no different than when we played Stone with Smith and Pageau.Us being a meh possession team has nothing to do with Hoffman. I'm not saying he doesn't have weaknesses but these are severely overrated by the fanbase.

Hoffman is a better overall defensive player than most of our bottom six.

 

[Agent Zub]

Ceci + White + 1st for Duchene

Promote Claesson and pick up a Russel/Wideman type.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't know about hanzal. He's got that overrated coyote thing going that almost everyone on Phoenix gets.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Montreal is my bet.

Is this guy credible?

 

[SawyerFord]

Is this guy credible?

Yup very


actually maybe not. but he is reliable

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

He plays on the Pageau line because he is one of the few players on our roster that can create offense himself. It's no different than when we played Stone with Smith and Pageau.Us being a meh possession team has nothing to do with Hoffman. I'm not saying he doesn't have weaknesses but these are severely overrated by the fanbase.

Hoffman is a better overall defensive player than most of our bottom six.

that's a good point but still man, I think hoffman has another gear.

I really dont know how we got where we are. All i said was that if we acquire Duchene, it provides us with opportunity to trade Hoffman if he doesn't become a better player so that we can add diff elements to our team and overall style.

Also, I think we should get rid of Ryan asap.

We can not have Duchene, Hoffman, Dzingel, Ryan all part of our top 6 wingers. They all provide more or less of the same and against a more physical team we might falter

 

[Langdon Alger]

Yup very


actually maybe not. but he is reliable

I'll still wait to see if McKenzie, Dreger or Friedman has anything to say. Either way, I'm sure Hanzal will be moved before 3pm on Wednesday.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lazar is worth a 1st round pick... A lot of GMs are trying to fleece me.

hmmmm....

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

not so imminent

 

[Knave]

Lazar is worth a 1st round pick... A lot of GMs are trying to fleece me.

hmmmm....

Lazar isn't really worth anything. He's a reclamation project that can't be fixed here.

Our best hope is we can somehow convince another team of his value as a 'prospect' and get them to take him in a package we offer up but even that's doubtful.

 

[Super Cake]

My guy feeling says it is either Montreal or Ottawa that landed Hanzel.

Both teams are feeling pressure right now.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Lazar isn't really worth anything. He's a reclamation project that can't be fixed here.

Our best hope is we can somehow convince another team of his value as a 'prospect' and get them to take him in a package we offer up but even that's doubtful.

If we land Hanzal, I could see Lazar being part of the deal.

 

[JD1]

Remember that this is the same organization that tremendously overvalued Cowen, and is currently making the same mistake with two other young players.

I don't think Cowen was over valued at all. He played all 82 games in his rookie season and it certainly looked like he was going to be a beast. Next fall he has hip surgery. You don't go from playing 82 games as a 20 year old, most as a top 4 D man, to out of hockey by 24. That's injury not overvaluing a prospect

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Why would TB trade Bishop to LA?

 

[JD1]

How is that relevant. What's the argument. He's not perfect. He's a goal scorer on a pretty good contract to do so. But his defensive issues are overblown. That I know.

If he was great defensively theeeen he would be an elite hockey player. 30 goals, defensive dynamo. How many of those are there?.

I didn't say anything about him defensively. He's quite good when he wants to be. most of the time actually.

I just find him to be lazy far too often.

How is the 30 goal thing relevant? It's preference. I would trade him for virtually any other guy that pots a similar number of goals and twice on Sunday if the guy coming back played in the greasy zone which Hoffman won't

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I didn't say anything about him defensively. He's quite good when he wants to be. most of the time actually.

I just find him to be lazy far too often.

How is the 30 goal thing relevant? It's preference. I would trade him for virtually any other guy that pots a similar number of goals and twice on Sunday if the guy coming back played in the greasy zone which Hoffman won't

So now he "won't" do it. He refuses.

he has no issue playing in the corner. I've seen him do it many many times. He's a slight Guy as well. If he was grinding constantly instead of picking his moments he wouldn't last.

 

[Benjamin]

Aha, random main board poster called the Bishop to LA trade 30 minutes before the main media guys did. Based on his friend being the guy that booked Bishops flight to Minny.