Proposal: 2016-17 Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread Part XIII

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We know how you fell EK feel's about it, How does EK really feel about it?

We will know in two years if he's willing to re-sign or wants to test the market

Here's to hoping playoff success is not something he cares to much about
 

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We will know in two years if he's willing to re-sign or wants to test the market

Here's to hoping playoff success is not something he cares to much about

All players want to make the playoffs and ultimately win the cup.. I am not sure how EK thinks. Does he think about his own success or does he own the team's success? How committed is he to the Sens having success and leading him there? Does he believe that he is part of a solution and a team and everyone is trying appropriately towards the same goals?... I don't know any of these answers
 

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Cmon man, everyone on the team has had their scoring go down since Boucher came in. Not really fair to just single out Hoffman for the result of a new system.

Also playing with oageau and pyatt to "spread out scoring".
 

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Hoffman 2 way hate is as Ottawa as Ottawa gets. It comes it right behind some complaining about kids selling lemonade without a permit.

The man has improved his defensive play 10 fold this year. You guys should be happy he's not a two way dynamo. Or else we would have lose him this year because we couldn't afford him.
 

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There's been a handful of negative comments about Hoffman all year long and you've never seen so much hate?

Lazar has been **** on repeatedly. Ceci and Borowiecki are getting a ton of hate.

But I guess you people wouldn't see it that way. He hasn't scored 30. It's a fact. He likely never will without significant changes in the rules.

What is this now? No facts allowed because they're too negative. Only alternative facts about Hoffman?

Someone said Hoffman is like Kane light on occasion and I agree with that. On a not often enough basis. The problem with Hoffman is that out of his own pure laziness or lackadaisical attitude he continually does things that result in high danger chances going the other way. Maybe it's a lack of focus, idk. Usually it's when he is passing the puck....it's almost like because he is passing the puck he cannot score so he doesn't give a $hit so he doesn't pUT the puck where he needs to.
 

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Someone said Hoffman is like Kane light on occasion and I agree with that. On a not often enough basis. The problem with Hoffman is that out of his own pure laziness or lackadaisical attitude he continually does things that result in high danger chances going the other way. Maybe it's a lack of focus, idk. Usually it's when he is passing the puck....it's almost like because he is passing the puck he cannot score so he doesn't give a $hit so he doesn't pUT the puck where he needs to.
Karlsson does the same thing with his missed shots that run around the boards and cross ice slap passes. Occupational hazard of playing creative players
 

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so anymore news on Duchene?

looking like Duchene Hanzal and Sharp are all in the Sens rumor mill

fantastic
 

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Yes.

What I'm feeling is White is Patrice Bergeron 2.0 and Chabot is like Canadian Karlsson.

Realistically, I see White like Mike Fisher and Chabot like Kevin Shattenkirk. They have higher ceilings than either of those two however.

Only reason they have a high ceiling is because they are young and noone knows what their ceiling is.

That's why prospect valuation gets so crazy:
- Everyone is super high on all prospects.. until they arent and their value drops to zero.
 

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The only name we're rumored to be looking at that I'm remotely interested in is Drew Stafford, mostly because he'd be a buy-low acquisition that's cheap, but also because he's 31 and could be of value to this team for years should we re-sign him.

3rd + depth prospect would probably do it
 

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The only name we're rumored to be looking at that I'm remotely interested in is Drew Stafford, mostly because he'd be a buy-low acquisition that's cheap, but also because he's 31 and could be of value to this team for years should we re-sign him.

3rd + depth prospect would probably do it

Agreed. Hanzal would be great but too costly. The rest are just not that good anymore. They would have a minimal impact. Would rather keep the assets and reward the players that are responsible for where we are.
 

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The only name we're rumored to be looking at that I'm remotely interested in is Drew Stafford, mostly because he'd be a buy-low acquisition that's cheap, but also because he's 31 and could be of value to this team for years should we re-sign him.

3rd + depth prospect would probably do it

i only consider stafford if we can sign him to a cheap extension

reason being is that if we are trading for a player to help the team now why get someone who has been bad this year, when we can offer up a bit less and pick up that 0.3ppg, or offer a bit more and pick up someone who is actually playing good hockey this year and therefore has a higher chance of helping us out. If its stafford with an extension say 2 years at 2-2.5 per year then im interested because if he cant bounce back due to injuries this year he is a candidate for a bounce back next year signed to a nice contract
 

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Karlsson does the same thing with his missed shots that run around the boards and cross ice slap passes. Occupational hazard of playing creative players

no, it's not the same thing. I get that creativity causes turnovers, that's hockey and frankly those are the guys that you pay to watch. Hoffman does that kind of thing occasionally and I have no issue with it. What I'm referring to us too frequent displays of laziness on Hoffman's end, mostly in the O zone, often on the PP.

Let's call him a 30 goal guy for argument sake. Look at last year's list of 30 goal guys. How many would you trade even up for Hoffman? Excluding guys 30+ in age.
 

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Everyone's favourite Don Brennan arcticle

actually not bad

Saprykin was a great deadline aquisition. I sometimes am suprised that Don Brennan knows how to formulate a sentence based on listening to him on the radio.

Would you not keep him as the Centre and move Brassard to the Wing?

Dzingel - Duchene - Hoffman (that's a fast group)
Brassard - Turris - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Ryan
Pyatt - Kelly - Wingels
Neil, Lazar

I really dont think it matters who plays center or left him or Brassard, once the team exits the D zone no one really has set positions. Whoever is more hot in the dot will take the draws. I think playing wing would allow him to blow the zone to push out the D.

If there are injuries he can play center too thats why he is such a usefull player. I have also seen him play RW.


What is the obsession with Hanzal?

Sure he's a big body but what does he actually do that everyone wants him so badly?

He's not a point producer.

Watch him. Thats all I have to say to people that dont know what he brings to the table. This team got knocked around by Winnipeg and has no forwards in the top 9 that are truly very hard to play against that are big bodies. He can also score when playing with good players. Dont just look at his production, if you watched Phoenix's playoff runs a few years back Hanzal was a terror to play against, he is also fantastic in the dot.
 

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The only name we're rumored to be looking at that I'm remotely interested in is Drew Stafford, mostly because he'd be a buy-low acquisition that's cheap, but also because he's 31 and could be of value to this team for years should we re-sign him.

3rd + depth prospect would probably do it

There is about 6 names including Sharp.
 

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no, it's not the same thing. I get that creativity causes turnovers, that's hockey and frankly those are the guys that you pay to watch. Hoffman does that kind of thing occasionally and I have no issue with it. What I'm referring to us too frequent displays of laziness on Hoffman's end, mostly in the O zone, often on the PP.

Let's call him a 30 goal guy for argument sake. Look at last year's list of 30 goal guys. How many would you trade even up for Hoffman? Excluding guys 30+ in age.

How is that relevant. What's the argument. He's not perfect. He's a goal scorer on a pretty good contract to do so. But his defensive issues are overblown. That I know.

If he was great defensively theeeen he would be an elite hockey player. 30 goals, defensive dynamo. How many of those are there?

I'm guessing you're insinuating you would trade for a lot of 30 goal guys in exchange for Hoffman. Okay so what do you suggest we do with him. So what he's not the best of the best among his 30 goal peers.

Now that being said. He's not untouchabke for me. I suggested Hoffman for shattenkirk last year.

You're gonna talk about laziness in the pp and only talk about Hoffman? Please.
 

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Hoffman is a goal scorer, and he's done just that. What else do you need from him?

It's not as much as wanting more from hoffman as it is his role on this team. IF we get Duchene, and Hoffman doesn't provide more than he does now, then we can look at trading him for someone else who provides diff elements since Duchene is similar to Hoffman but provides more pros to this team.

Karlsson does the same thing with his missed shots that run around the boards and cross ice slap passes. Occupational hazard of playing creative players

lol people need to stop comparing mistakes of players to others without analyzing the good. Yes, Karlsson makes some brutal mistakes sometimes... but he's also the best offensive defender in the NHL, top 3 takeaway artists, shot block specialist, best transition and breakout player, best puck possession player etc...

What does Hoffman have aside from speed and goalscoring?

Before comparing player mistakes, look at the pros vs cons. If Hoffman was excellent defensively and was excellent puck possession player than i dont give a **** if he plays casually sometimes and even costs us some goals.
 

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Hoffman is one of our best possession players.

The problem with Ottawa's fanbase is that we expect every star player we have to be like Alfie.

There is only one Alfie.
 

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It's not as much as wanting more from hoffman as it is his role on this team. IF we get Duchene, and Hoffman doesn't provide more than he does now, then we can look at trading him for someone else who provides diff elements since Duchene is similar to Hoffman but provides more pros to this team.

I don't really find their games to be all that similar. Hoffman is a trigger man (primarily), Duchene is a possession player that drives the offense.
 

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It's not as much as wanting more from hoffman as it is his role on this team. IF we get Duchene, and Hoffman doesn't provide more than he does now, then we can look at trading him for someone else who provides diff elements since Duchene is similar to Hoffman but provides more pros to this team.



lol people need to stop comparing mistakes of players to others without analyzing the good. Yes, Karlsson makes some brutal mistakes sometimes... but he's also the best offensive defender in the NHL, top 3 takeaway artists, shot block specialist, best transition and breakout player, best puck possession player etc...

What does Hoffman have aside from speed and goalscoring?

Before comparing player mistakes, look at the pros vs cons. If Hoffman was excellent defensively and was excellent puck possession player than i dont give a **** if he plays casually sometimes and even costs us some goals.

Isn't a he a good possession player though.

Also "speed and goals" is super valuable. Those two traits together aren't some thing you go "but what else does he bring!" After mentioning them.
 

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Hoffman is one of our best possession players.

The problem with Ottawa's fanbase is that we expect every star player we have to be like Alfie.

There is only one Alfie.

lol no stop, that's not what we're doing. What's funny is whenever someone brings up a criticism, some people (not saying you) make blatant remarks like those criticisms are unwarranted. And yet some of those posters, and everyone else in general, are confused why we miss the playoffs or dont go far or ask "why isnt this team more successful?"

Sens are brutal as a team in puck possession, hoffman being among the best doesnt mean much. i may have higher expectations for him but it's cause i want him to be more than a Ryder for the Sens. He has shown spurts of excellent ability and has improved his all-around game much more but there's still a reason why he plays on that Pageau line and isn't a mainstay in the top 6 like a Stone or Turris is, especially since we dont even have excellent depth offensively to begin with.
 
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