There will never be a time where Eichel isn't the clear #2.
not really Eichel has been more productive in spite playing with half as talented players on his line...from start to finish he's been driving his own line heavily...Tavares is one of the best centers in the league and Mackinnon is well Mackinnon....there is hardly any depth to take pressure off of Jack's line either. Most of the underlying numbers prove how much of a force he's been even before his production took another jump as he's always been one of the best trasitional players as well as zone entry players in the league. Also the notion that Barzal is more defensively responsible is hilarious just because he plays with the Islanders Jack is +14 which is the best on the Sabres and has been really strong in his own end this year and a force on the forecheck.
Thankd for being objective. You can see yourself out.
I agree that what I said was objective.
Wow that's a fantastic top 10.
No one takes Meier over Chabot, Provorov or Barzal under any circumstances.
Try again. Top pair NHL d man who logs 26 minutes a night and almost scores points at the same clip as a one dimensional winger. In no world are they the same tier if anything Chabot belongs in the 2nd tier.
Youre a Canucks fan i assume? Who do you value more Quinn Hughes or Boeser?... Now you have your answer.
He is coming over this season; he plays in the KHL and has been dominating that league. He'll be over soon enough, but I'd definitely take his potential over Dermott or Cernac.
At this point, Provorov is clearly better than Chabot. That could change at any stretch of the season.
Blackwood should be making his way into the first round
You'd make a brutal mistake every time in doing so.
You do realize that Provorov is much better than Werenski defensively, right?
That doesn't mean he plays good Defense.
Both players are in my (Isles) division though I watch more Flyers games than Blue Jackets. I'll concede the point that maybe Werenski can't play D either but I'm sticking with Provorov is bad at D until he proves otherwise.
I'll stick with the facts along with the eye test that says he's great defensively.
He's better defensively than offensively, he always has been.
Now imagine if Zboril and Senyshyn turn into regular NHL players.... that would be a solid 4 picks they hit on including all 3 first round picks (which isn't that common)
Interesting... Provorov is the best defensive defenseman in the 15' Draft by a good margin.
Provorov 53.6% with by far toughest minutes
I seem to be the only one with this opinion but he legit only looks good in 2 of the 3 zones when I see him play. *shrug*
Provorov has been excellent this year, but in the three prior seasons, he doesn't drive play at all.
I know the hot "watch da games" takes are coming, but I don't think it's over the top to ask a #1 defenseman to have replacement level shot metrics.
I honestly think I'd have Chabot as high as 5th. I can understand it would vary on team need, though.
The entire "Eichel isnt clearly #2" crowd loses all credibility immediately.
this argument is strictly contingent on recency bias. looking at the larger sample of the two since entering the league, chabot has driven play much better, provorov is better in his own end however. it's important to note that the quality of teammates chabot has played around is MUCH worse compared to provorov. I'd still take Chabot as his ceiling is much higher than Provorov but he's definitely the safer bet of the two.
Well you're wrong. Provorov has been playing 1D minutes with AHL level partners every year until this year. Provorov also has been better this year than Chabot has been at any point in his career. You're looking at a 15-20 Goal 45-55 point defensemen who is better in his own end than he is offensively. Guy is ridiculously underrated. Chabot definitely makes a case though, Werenski isn't close.
Did you miss his entire 2017-18 season or rookie year? He had a down year last year and 3 great years (counting current one) based on his age and development. The guy has been playing 1D usage in the NHL since the age of 18 and is without a doubt cemented as a true 1D today. You're speaking nonsense man.