Couldn't agree more. I'd look for an improvement in production from our AHL D prospects this year with the infusion of skill they're going to see at the forward position. If both Bear and Jones are in the AHL they should see a boost from the likes of Marody, Vesel, Benson, Hebig, and potentially Yamamoto on the team with Maksimov, McLeod, and Safin there next year.I know he had a tough year, but I saw some things I like in that video. Makes good passes, has good feet and edges. There's a player there, he might take a while to come along. Nothing wrong with that.
I know he had a tough year, but I saw some things I like in that video. Makes good passes, has good feet and edges. There's a player there, he might take a while to come along. Nothing wrong with that.
for sure, good stuff. Great awareness of his teammates and hockey IQI know he had a tough year, but I saw some things I like in that video. Makes good passes, has good feet and edges. There's a player there, he might take a while to come along. Nothing wrong with that.
This is a huge season for him. Sooner or later you'd have to think that the team would love a cheap LHD to replace Sekera or Russell.
Not really. He's an infinitely better skater than Simpson and a much better puck mover. Needs to continue to work on his defensive play and reads, and his offensive game could use some tweaking in the offensive zone (not convinced he has enough tools in the O-zone to be a great offensive D, but he certainly has the tools to be a good transition puck moving D). Jones is a one man breakout when he's on his game. Can make stretch passes, short outlets, or can carry it on his own.Lagesson is going to blow right past him and take that spot for the following year.
Just speculation of course but I just have not heard or seen enough from Jones to make think he will be an nhler.
Question. Is Jones another Simpson type? Does everything well but nothing great? Good comparible?
Lagesson is going to blow right past him and take that spot for the following year.
Just speculation of course but I just have not heard or seen enough from Jones to make think he will be an nhler.
Question. Is Jones another Simpson type? Does everything well but nothing great? Good comparible?
Not really. He's an infinitely better skater than Simpson and a much better puck mover. Needs to continue to work on his defensive play and reads, and his offensive game could use some tweaking in the offensive zone (not convinced he has enough tools in the O-zone to be a great offensive D, but he certainly has the tools to be a good transition puck moving D). Jones is a one man breakout when he's on his game. Can make stretch passes, short outlets, or can carry it on his own.
I'd wait before writing him off. He just turned 21 last month, and by all accounts was much better in the 2nd half of last year (was -14 in his first 14 games).
As McFlyingV said, he is a much better skater I still see him as having Sekera level upside if he works hard on his game.
Lagesson is going to be similar to Reinhart, doesn't do anything great, does alot of stuff good.Lagesson is going to blow right past him and take that spot for the following year.
Just speculation of course but I just have not heard or seen enough from Jones to make think he will be an nhler.
Question. Is Jones another Simpson type? Does everything well but nothing great? Good comparible?
Lagesson is going to be similar to Reinhart, doesn't do anything great, does alot of stuff good.
Jones has a much higher ceiling.
Lagesson is slow with no offensive IQ or skills, good positionally, sounds exactly like Reinhart.Jones certainly not have a higher ceiling than Reinhart did at the same age...
I see no similarities between Reinhart and Lagesson. Very strange comparison. Lagesson is a extremely hard working gritty player, a battler. Reinhart was a positional player sometimes physical most times not with effort and consistency issues.
Besides both generally being defensive defensman they have very few similarities.
I’ve got time for his prospect but if he doesn’t take a significant step this year I don’t think he has an NHL future.
Pretty sure Dumba is a much better skater than Bouchard
Lagesson is slow with no offensive IQ or skills, good positionally, sounds exactly like Reinhart.
It's funny. Even after your responses I still feel the Simpson comparison is legit. Simpson was an above average skater/puck mover with limited offense and work to do on the defensive side. Did everything well overall but had no booming shot or sneaky wrister or was known as a great shut down guy...
I've never heard Jones had elite nhl level skating. Are you guys saying he does? Cause Simpson was a good skater from what I remember.
It's not hard to be better than Simpson was especially at this age/point in his career. So not really disputing that. And just in general it's way too early to write him off. However his history is a mixed bag and if you average it out I wouldn't say things point to being an nhler yet.
What I can certainly say is career wise he is significantly worse than Sekera was and is incredibly unlikely to ever have a career as good as Sekera. That's pretty far fetched and I'm not sure if that comes from overestimating Jones or underrating Sekera.
Sekera had a 25 goal year in junior. Had similar stats as Jones in his first ahl year barring the +40 in thier 5v5 goal differentials.
Sekera seems to have always had a better toolset combined with some serious determination/strength. Basically a Davidson type but even better. Sekera has been considered a #3 or better level defender for a long time now. That's a tough level to reach and maintain. Both Klefbom and Nurse have flirted with that level but are not yet there. If Nurse continues his linear progression he should get there soon. Who knows what will happen with Klef. A lot has to right for Jones to even really be mentioned with Sekera imo.
As bad as it is to make comparisons, cause they are rarely right, but I am looking for a comparison for Jones. His skill sets and career to date makes him like?
Simpson was not a good skater, IMO his skating was one of his biggest weaknesses. I never said that Jones skating was elite but it's definitely not a weakness and tends to be a strength of his game.
Sekera IMO is his upside, whether he gets there is TBD. This is a huge year for Caleb, he knows what to expect and he needs to put his stamp on pro hockey. IMO he is definitely better than Simpson was, I was never very high on Simpson.
I love defensive defensemen, Larsson is my favorite D on the oilers.Skates good for his size isn't exactly a resounding endorsement but a far cry from slow. He didn't look slow at all in the international tourney I watched him in.
His offense/puck moving is far better than his stats indicate. Both by my eye and reports. One of those guys that always seems to play on bad teams so hard to judge his true top end. Played in a top pairing role in the SEL supposedly.
Aggressive is a word I would use to describe him. Nothing like Reinhart.
Kinda sounds like you don't like defensive defensmen. Have you even seen him play?
I love defensive defensemen, Larsson is my favorite D on the oilers.
I just think Jones is going to be a much better player than Lagesson
I disagree with your assessment on Simpson. He was never an above average skater or puck mover and was known for his defensive play in college. In fact at the NHL level I would say Simpson is a below average skater.It's funny. Even after your responses I still feel the Simpson comparison is legit. Simpson was an above average skater/puck mover with limited offense and work to do on the defensive side. Did everything well overall but had no booming shot or sneaky wrister or was known as a great shut down guy...
I've never heard Jones had elite nhl level skating. Are you guys saying he does? Cause Simpson was a good skater from what I remember.
It's not hard to be better than Simpson was especially at this age/point in his career. So not really disputing that. And just in general it's way too early to write him off. However his history is a mixed bag and if you average it out I wouldn't say things point to being an nhler yet.
What I can certainly say is career wise he is significantly worse than Sekera was and is incredibly unlikely to ever have a career as good as Sekera. That's pretty far fetched and I'm not sure if that comes from overestimating Jones or underrating Sekera.
Sekera had a 25 goal year in junior. Had similar stats as Jones in his first ahl year barring the +40 in thier 5v5 goal differentials.
Sekera seems to have always had a better toolset combined with some serious determination/strength. Basically a Davidson type but even better. Sekera has been considered a #3 or better level defender for a long time now. That's a tough level to reach and maintain. Both Klefbom and Nurse have flirted with that level but are not yet there. If Nurse continues his linear progression he should get there soon. Who knows what will happen with Klef. A lot has to right for Jones to even really be mentioned with Sekera imo.
As bad as it is to make comparisons, cause they are rarely right, but I am looking for a comparison for Jones. His skill sets and career to date makes him like?
Lagesson is not slow.Lagesson is slow with no offensive IQ or skills, good positionally, sounds exactly like Reinhart.