2014 reDraft #6

[M2Beezy]

So Arivdsson becomes a HUGE riser in this redraft as he edges out the 1st overall selection lol to take 5th in our redraft of the 2014 season

1 EDM Draisaitl 70% (+2) 2014 reDraft #1
2 BOST Pastrnak 56% (+23) 2014 reDraft #2
3 TB Point 88% (+76) 2014 reDraft #3
4 DET Larkin 66% (+11) 2014 reDraft #4
5 NASH Arvidsson 37% (+107) 2014 reDraft #5

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[Patty Ice]

Minor pet peeve: Its LABanc not LeBanc

 

[izzy]

idk about arvidsson ahead of a 23 year old all situations #1 defenseman

 

[McRpro]

Minor pet peeve: Its LABanc not LeBanc

Also Draisaitl.

 

[M2Beezy]

Minor pet peeve: Its LABanc not LeBanc

Really? I was corrected after this first poll to make it Lebanc. Sorry about that, i will correct from now on

Also Draisaitl.

He went 1st lol

 

[McRpro]

Really? I was corrected after this first poll to make it Lebanc. Sorry about that, i will correct from now on

He went 1st lol

He sure did. And his name is spelt wrong.

 

[Patty Ice]

Really? I was corrected after this first poll to make it Lebanc. Sorry about that, i will correct from now on

Haha. I'll have to check that out. There are even some Sharks fans that still spell his name wrong.

 

[M2Beezy]

Haha. I'll have to check that out. There are even some Sharks fans that still spell his name wrong.

Nope. Looks like i was corrected after the first one and then went back to the wrong spelling after that haha, my bad, will fix that

Anyways steal of a pick that LABANC is, will easy breasy be a 1st rounder in this redraft

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Olofsson drafted #181 overall in 2014.

Criminal to not have him on the list imo.

 

[M2Beezy]

Olofsson drafted #181 overall in 2014.

Criminal to not have him on the list imo.

Criminal? Over react much bub? All you had to do was ask to add him, not like hed of been picked yet anyways, is not that big a deal

 

[VoluntaryDom]

kase

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Criminal? Over react much bub? All you had to do was ask to add him, not like hed of been picked yet anyways, is not that big a deal

100% you over reacted more than I did. Also never said he should be picked or anything.

 

[93LEAFS]

idk about arvidsson ahead of a 23 year old all situations #1 defenseman

If Ekblad is your #1 all-situations D, I wouldn't have high expectations for the team he's placed in that role for. He's at best a good #2. He simply doesn't have the skating or passing to be the type of reliable puck-mover you want from your #1 d-man. The guy is pretty inept offensively at 5v5 for a modern-day #1 too.

 

[jetsforever]

Ekblad

 

[izzy]

If Ekblad is your #1 all-situations D, I wouldn't have high expectations for the team he's placed in that role for. He's at best a good #2. He simply doesn't have the skating or passing to be the type of reliable puck-mover you want from your #1 d-man. The guy is pretty inept offensively at 5v5 for a modern-day #1 too.

ekblad had 1 less even strength point than hedman, 3 less than suter, 2 more than pietrangelo, 5 more than OEL, and 7 more than doughty

 

[93LEAFS]

ekblad had 1 less even strength point than hedman, 3 less than suter, 2 more than pietrangelo, 5 more than OEL, and 7 more than doughty

And, most of those guys were having down years offensively. Let's also ignore that two of the guys you chose played 10 and 11 fewer games. This was arguably Pietrangelo worst year offensively in awhile. Pietrangelo puts up .98 p/60 at 5v5 over the past 3 years, Ekblad has .78 p/60 at 5v5.

 

[izzy]

And, most of those guys were having down years offensively. Let's also ignore that two of the guys you chose played 10 and 11 fewer games. This was arguably Pietrangelo worst year offensively in awhile. Pietrangelo puts up .98 p/60 at 5v5 over the past 3 years, Ekblad has .78 p/60 at 5v5.

ekblad was also 22 and 21 in the years before this one.

also they missed 10/11 games which is like 3 more even strength points added. doesnt change the numbers by much.

you said hes inept offensively 5v5 for a #1 but hes right there with these other #1 dmen and elite dmen.

 

[Huck Cheever]

I

Minor pet peeve: Its LABanc not LeBanc

I call him Lablanc too like he's French

 

[93LEAFS]

ekblad was also 22 and 21 in the years before this one.

also they missed 10/11 games which is like 3 more even strength points added. doesnt change the numbers by much.

you said hes inept offensively 5v5 for a #1 but hes right there with these other #1 dmen and elite dmen.

His per-minute basis is worse than pretty much all of them but Doughty and tied with Ekman-Larsson. He hasn't finished among the top 30 d-man in 5v5 total points since his sheltered usage in 2015/16. I mean, the gap between him and Hedman is massive on a per-minute basis at 5v5. Pietrangelo averages around .96 per 60. He hasn't broken 40 points yet in all situations. He doesn't move the puck particularly well shown by his assist numbers, and he isn't a great skater. There really isn't a case for Ekblad being a legit all-situations number 1 at this point. His offensive production, nor his underlying metrics or eye test supports it.

 

[izzy]

His per-minute basis is worse than pretty much all of them but Doughty and tied with Ekman-Larsson. He hasn't finished among the top 30 d-man in 5v5 total points since his sheltered usage in 2015/16. I mean, the gap between him and Hedman is massive on a per-minute basis at 5v5. Pietrangelo averages around .96 per 60. He hasn't broken 40 points yet in all situations. He doesn't move the puck particularly well shown by his assist numbers, and he isn't a great skater. There really isn't a case for Ekblad being a legit all-situations number 1 at this point. His offensive production, nor his underlying metrics or eye test supports it.

hes the #1 dman playing in all situations on the team with the second most points without making the playoffs this year. not exactly a bottom feeder

his 5v5 production numbers were already discussed, this year at 22/23 he was right there with other similar dmen.
his assist numbers are lower because they run yandle on the powerplay constantly since hes arguably top 3 powerplay defensemen

thats the role he was just playing at 22/23 years old.

 

[93LEAFS]

hes the #1 dman playing in all situations on the team with the second most points without making the playoffs this year. not exactly a bottom feeder

his 5v5 production numbers were already discussed, this year at 22/23 he was right there with other similar dmen

thats the role he was just playing at 22/23 years old.

He was #1 D-man on a bad team. That doesn't make him a legit #1 or even a top 31 defender in the league. Vancouver had 5 less points, and they don't have someone I would classify as a #1 D-man either, and they were just as close to the Canucks as a playoff spot.

His production wasn't great. Pietrangelo and Hedman's were significantly better when you actually look at the context instead of just looking at raw points, while ignoring minutes and games missed. He wasn't top 30 in total points at 5v5 or on a per-minute basis at 5v5 (among guys who got over 1000 minutes).

 

[izzy]

He was #1 D-man on a bad team. That doesn't make him a legit #1 or even a top 31 defender in the league. Vancouver had 5 less points, and they don't have someone I would classify as a #1 D-man either, and they were just as close to the Canucks as a playoff spot.

His production wasn't great. Pietrangelo and Hedman's were significantly better when you actually look at the context instead of just looking at raw points, while ignoring minutes and games missed. He wasn't top 30 in total points at 5v5 or on a per-minute basis at 5v5 (among guys who got over 1000 minutes).

what context? his actual production was on par with them.

you can change the stats around and add cut offs and restrictions but the actual results are there.

you are bringing up the comparisons from 2 years ago when ekblad was a 20 year old dman vs those other guys in their primes. im not saying hes better than those guys, but your knock on him was 5v5 production when his 5v5 production wasnt actually bad.

he is a poor skater, wont argue that.

 

[93LEAFS]

what context? his actual production was on par with them.

you can change the stats around and add cut offs and restrictions but the actual results are there.

you are bringing up the comparisons from 2 years ago when ekblad was a 20 year old dman vs those other guys in their primes. im not saying hes better than those guys, but your knock on him was 5v5 production when his 5v5 production wasnt actually bad.

he is a poor skater, wont argue that.

Well, Pietrangelo and Hedman's production was significantly better. I won't argue Ekman-Larsson and Doughty, who play for two of the lowest-scoring teams in the league. Both are also viewed as number #1's more for prior accomplishments than anything they did this season.

I used the 1000 minute cut-off because that is a reasonable one to use for a top-pairing D-man. If I lower it, he'd place much lower because of players who had small sample sizes and played well offensively. If anything, using that cut-off benefits Ekblad.

 

[izzy]

Well, Pietrangelo and Hedman's production was significantly better. I won't argue Ekman-Larsson and Doughty, who play for two of the lowest-scoring teams in the league. Both are also viewed as number #1's more for prior accomplishments than anything they did this season.

I used the 1000 minute cut-off because that is a reasonable one to use for a top-pairing D-man. If I lower it, he'd place much lower because of players who had small sample sizes and played well offensively. If anything, using that cut-off benefits Ekblad.

how is their production significantly better?

petro paced lower than ekblad and hedman paced like 3-4 points higher than him on an absolute powerhouse of a team.

 

[93LEAFS]

how is their production significantly better?

petro paced lower than ekblad and hedman paced like 3-4 points higher than him on an absolute powerhouse of a team.

On a per-minute basis here are their numbers. Pietrangelo had a down year compared to previous season but was still better. Hedman's are in a different universe. Pietrangelo's are close, but as stated, it was a down year offensively for him. Between 2013-2018 Pietrangelo put up 1.05/60 at 5v5, Ekblad for his career is 0.83/60, with his best years coming in more sheltered usage, his best numbers in that regard actually come at 18 and 19.

Hedman: 1.14/60 at 5v5
Pietrangelo: 0.85/60 at 5v5
Ekblad: 0.76/60 at 5v5

I'm not saying Ekblad is a bad player. But I absolutely don't consider him a legit number #1 at this point in his career. He seems more like a Brent Seabrook type, which is a good #2. He's not the type of play-driving or point-producing #1 you generally want to build around. There's a fair argument for him going at 4 or 5 in this poll, but its not because he's a bonafide #1.