Rumor: 2014/2015 Season Trade Rumours and Proposals IX - Three Weeks Til Tradedown

[Sensinitis]

It's crazy how much hype a 4th liner gets here. Ya he's good in his role but geez...

Fwiw Murray most likely disagrees with you dudes.

 

[Sensinitis]

Also Bonk ya his name is Derek Grant. There's also a ton of other guys we have that are good on the PK like JGP for example.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We have a 1st unit PK winger in our system right now?

Why didn't anyone tell me?!?

You were away for a week

Get with the program

 

[BonkTastic]

Fwiw Murray most likely disagrees with you dudes.

Oh, well, I'm glad you cleared that up for us.

What, is Bryan in your Thursday night poker game, or something? This week, ask him what his thoughts on the new draft format are - I'm curious to know if he supports next year's change to drafting the top 3 picks, or if he was against it.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Also Bonk ya his name is Derek Grant. There's also a ton of other guys we have that are good on the PK like JGP for example.

This is where you show us how you overrate prospects.

Guys like Grant and Robinson have proven nothing in the NHL. Condra is still young, costs little, and is consistently consistent. Pageau is not a replacement, he's slated to be a 2nd or 3rd liner.

This is not "overhype", this is proper assessment of a player we've seen play for a long enough period of time.

 

[HavlatMach9]

we may not have the cap space to keep Condra.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

we may not have the cap space to keep Condra.

What? We have cap space up the wazoo.

 

[BonkTastic]

What? We have cap space up the wazoo.

I can't help but think that HM9's comment was tongue-in-cheek.

At least, it's the only way it makes any sense, so that's what I'm going with.

 

[HavlatMach9]

i'm actually serious. i'm gonna pull do an excel sheet.

 

[BonkTastic]

i'm actually serious. i'm gonna pull up an excel sheet.

Well, I was going to go and do something else for a while, but I'm definitely here now.

You've got my attention.

 

[Sensinitis]

Oh, well, I'm glad you cleared that up for us.

What, is Bryan in your Thursday night poker game, or something? This week, ask him what his thoughts on the new draft format are - I'm curious to know if he supports next year's change to drafting the top 3 picks, or if he was against it.

I said most likely.

We'll see at the deadline/after july 1st

 

[Othello*]

Condra isn't any special, if we keep him great and if he walks who cares we have Derek Grant in the system

 

[Sensinitis]

This is where you show us how you overrate prospects.

Guys like Grant and Robinson have proven nothing in the NHL. Condra is still young, costs little, and is consistently consistent. Pageau is not a replacement, he's slated to be a 2nd or 3rd liner.

This is not "overhype", this is proper assessment of a player we've seen play for a long enough period of time.

You say I overrate prospects and then you say that Pageau is slated to be a 2nd liner. Ironic.

I have a very hard time seeing how saying anyone can be better than Erik Condra is overrating that player.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Even with the extensions kicking-in alongside the RFA deals that need to get done in we're not going to be going from the floor to the ceiling in one off-season

I was also going to log off and read a book but I am curious, Galbraith can wait

 

[L'Aveuglette]

You say I overrate prospects and then you say that Pageau is slated to be a 2nd liner. Ironic.

I have a very hard time seeing how saying anyone can be better than Erik Condra is overrating that player.

Notice how I said 2nd OR 3rd liner? Yeah, that's how you know I am not overrating Pageau, but you'd need to read the entire sentence.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Spread sheet: here
After re-signing our RFAs, we'll be at about 65m. So there're will be plenty of room.

We would be at 65m if Zibanejad is @ 2.5m, Chiasson @ 1.5m, Stone @ 2m, Hoffman @ 2.5m

Player| Cap hit
Ryan, Bobby| 7.25
Michalek, Milan| 4
Turris, Kyle| 3.5
MacArthur, Clarke| 4.65
Legwand, David| 3
Neil, Chris| 1.9
Smith, Zack| 1.887
Zibanejad, Mika| 2.5
Condra, Erik|
Lazar, Curtis| 0.925
Chiasson, Alex| 1.5
Stone, Mark| 2
Hoffman, Mike| 2.5

Karlsson, Erik| 6.5
Cowen, Jared| 3.1
Methot, Marc| 4.9
Phillips, Chris| 2.5
Wiercioch, Patrick| 2
Ceci, Cody| 1.369
Gryba, Eric| 1.25
Borowiecki, Mark| 1.1

Anderson, Craig| 4.2
Lehner, Robin| 2.225
|64.76

 

[Super Cake]

Still waiting on a excel spreadsheet

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I refuse to believe you without an excel sheet to back you up

EDIT: stealing my thunder hey 65?

 

[Super Cake]

After re-signing our RFAs, we'll be at about 65m. So there're will be plenty of room.

Player| Cap hit
Ryan, Bobby| 7.25
Michalek, Milan| 4
Turris, Kyle| 3.5
MacArthur, Clarke| 4.65
Legwand, David| 3
Neil, Chris| 1.9
Smith, Zack| 1.887
Zibanejad, Mika| 2.5
Condra, Erik|
Lazar, Curtis| 0.925
Chiasson, Alex| 1.5
Stone, Mark| 2
Hoffman, Mike| 2.5

Karlsson, Erik| 6.5
Cowen, Jared| 3.1
Methot, Marc| 4.9
Phillips, Chris| 2.5
Wiercioch, Patrick| 2
Ceci, Cody| 1.369
Gryba, Eric| 1.25
Borowiecki, Mark| 1.1

Anderson, Craig| 4.2
Lehner, Robin| 2.225
|64.76

Now that is one nice spreadheet. A++

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Isn't MacArthur signed for 5.25 for next year?

 

[BonkTastic]

After re-signing our RFAs, we'll be at about 65m. So there're will be plenty of room.

Player| Cap hit

Karlsson, Erik| 6.5
Cowen, Jared| 3.1
Methot, Marc| 4.9
Phillips, Chris| 2.5
Wiercioch, Patrick| 2
Ceci, Cody| 1.369
Gryba, Eric| 1.25
Borowiecki, Mark| 1.1

I really hope we're not rolling 8 defencemen AGAIN next year.

 

[HavlatMach9]

We would be at 65m if Zibanejad @ 2.5m, Chiasson @ 1.5m, Stone @ 2m, Hoffman @ 2.5m

it comes down to what they get. If these players get a higher amount of money, we could approach the ceiling quickly, especially if you add Condra to that.

 

[DrEasy]

It doesn't matter how elite Condra is. He's going to be a free agent at the end of the season. Would you rather get something for him or keep him to... do what exactly?

I said it before, his situation isn't much different from Methot's. If he doesn't sign an extension before the deadline we should get an asset for him.

 

[HavlatMach9]

Isn't MacArthur signed for 5.25 for next year?

i used nhlnumbers numbers

 

[L'Aveuglette]

It doesn't matter how elite Condra is. He's going to be a free agent at the end of the season. Would you rather get something for him or keep him to... do what exactly?

I said it before, his situation isn't much different from Methot's. If he doesn't sign an extension before the deadline we should get an asset for him.

To be great on the PK while being defensively sound in all situations at a moderate price?

Of course you trade him if he doesn't want to re-sign at a reasonable price, but that wasn't the issue here.