2014 - 2015 Coyotes Roster Part 5

[SniperHF]

More armchair GMing and Moneypucking here.

Why would Ottawa want Yandle?

I think you are getting closer..Let me try

Bobby Ryan for Yandle+Klink+2nd

Fine, I'll be fair for both teams.

Coyotes get: Bobby Ryan

Sens get: Korpikoski, Yandle, 3rd round pick?

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[AZviaNJ]

More armchair GMing and Moneypucking here.

Ryan to AZ as an upcoming UFA not happening. Cost too prohibitive to get him and likelihood of signing him would be minimal.

 

[rt]

McBain was good in college. I hadn't realized he's been in the league so long. He sure got to 26 years old awfully quick. Why is he just a camp invite? Game didn't really translate, I guess. I wonder if he can be useful as a PP specialist with limited 5v5 mins. Anyone followed this guy's pro career, at all? He flew right under my radar.

Matt Kassian was supposed to be the next big menace of a HW fighter when he turned pro. It looks like he got off to a good start in that regard. His hockeyfights.com fight card from a couple of season ago is pretty darn impressive with him getting the decision with some legit heavies. Then last season's fight card is so "bleh" with him mostly fighting guys a lot smaller than him or with lousy fighting reputations, and it doesn't appear he was really winning decisively. What happened?

Bandit? Any insight?

 

[Desert Ice 11]

I was just going for value. I didn't know that B. Ryan was upcoming UFA..Wouldn't be a good acquisition because of that.

 

[cobra427]

I don't think DM has any interest in guys getting paid top dollar, middle to later in their careers like Ryan or Semin. For what these guys make, there is no upside. They won't be worth more than you have to pay them. If they under perform, they can be worth less.

That is why I see us picking up guys like Gagner because they have NHL experience but we have a shot at getting more value out of them, above the value of their contract. We could get less too, but the downside is limited because the cost is lower. I would look at upside versus downside potential against pay rates. But I don't see us signing Ray W as he could now be Sullivan/Klesla/Dmo/Lombardi. Semin or Ryan could be Ribs now, so too much money, and too much risk.

 

[Bandit34]

McBain was good in college. I hadn't realized he's been in the league so long. He sure got to 26 years old awfully quick. Why is he just a camp invite? Game didn't really translate, I guess. I wonder if he can be useful as a PP specialist with limited 5v5 mins. Anyone followed this guy's pro career, at all? He flew right under my radar.

Matt Kassian was supposed to be the next big menace of a HW fighter when he turned pro. It looks like he got off to a good start in that regard. His hockeyfights.com fight card from a couple of season ago is pretty darn impressive with him getting the decision with some legit heavies. Then last season's fight card is so "bleh" with him mostly fighting guys a lot smaller than him or with lousy fighting reputations, and it doesn't appear he was really winning decisively. What happened?

Bandit? Any insight?

Kassian isn't alone in that regard in terms of being "bleh". Last year was a rough year for the majority of the heavyweights left in the league.

All I can say that in terms of comparison with our last enforcer, Bissonnette, is that Kassian is the better fighter but Bissonnette is easily the better player.

 

[rt]

Cool. I knew he was a decent HW. Just wanted to make sure it didn't change for some reason.

Why give him a PTO and not a contract, though? You know what Matt Kassian is. There is nothing to try out. Either you want him or you don't. What could he possibly prove in camp?

 

[Zman5778]

McBain was good in college. I hadn't realized he's been in the league so long. He sure got to 26 years old awfully quick. Why is he just a camp invite? Game didn't really translate, I guess. I wonder if he can be useful as a PP specialist with limited 5v5 mins. Anyone followed this guy's pro career, at all? He flew right under my radar.

Sabres fan here, in peace. Saw you guys gave McBain a PTO and figured I'd tell you what to expect.

Pretty solid first pass outta the zone, great at carrying the puck outta the zone. Defensively, he is a train wreck, and that's being kind. His positioning is awful, he doesn't win any board battles, he gets ragdolled in front of his own net.....he just got worse and worse as the season went on. Pinches wayyy to often and will get caught out of position doing so.

Can he be useful as a PP specialist with limited 5v5 minutes??? Sure, if you're willing to dress 7 defensemen and limit his 5v5 minutes to say...3 per game, right after a PK or something.

And he's no PP QB....he's a PP trigger man. That said, he does seem to have a heavy shot that is accurate and goalies seem to give up some rebounds off his shot.....

 

[Desert Ice 11]

Sabres fan here, in peace. Saw you guys gave McBain a PTO and figured I'd tell you what to expect.

Pretty solid first pass outta the zone, great at carrying the puck outta the zone. Defensively, he is a train wreck, and that's being kind. His positioning is awful, he doesn't win any board battles, he gets ragdolled in front of his own net.....he just got worse and worse as the season went on. Pinches wayyy to often and will get caught out of position doing so.

Can he be useful as a PP specialist with limited 5v5 minutes??? Sure, if you're willing to dress 7 defensemen and limit his 5v5 minutes to say...3 per game, right after a PK or something.

And he's no PP QB....he's a PP trigger man. That said, he does seem to have a heavy shot that is accurate and goalies seem to give up some rebounds off his shot.....

To sum that up..He is awful at everything except for passing out of the zone and making slap shots.

 

[ck26]

CoolWhy give him a PTO and not a contract, though? You know what Matt Kassian is. There is nothing to try out. Either you want him or you don't. What could he possibly prove in camp?

He's an NHL veteran who presumably wants another NHL job and will play balls-out every second of camp to get one. One more guy whose energy level Domi / Lessio / Samuelsson will have to match. As long as him being there doesn't result in OEL being concussed in a scrimmage, there's no risk.

Also, for a veteran, a PTO is a slightly better offer than a straight-up AHL contract offer. At least I would feel that way. Maybe.

To sum that up..He is awful at everything except for passing out of the zone and making slap shots.

Poor man's Michael Stone

 

[Kaibur]

I still like McBain over Schlemko. He's more durable and plays the right side as well, but he's actually a right handed shot. And he'd probably sign for cheaper than Schlemko's making right now.

If they can slough Schlemko & one of our bottom line players for a third line winger, I'd see it as an overall upgrade.

 

[_Del_]

I'm not Schlemko's biggest fan, but it seems like a mistake to think McBain would replace him.

 

[Sciamachy]

McBain is worse defensively and less physical than Schlem. Considering those are the two main areas of concern with the blueline I don't see how swapping them makes sense. I only see McBain at camp to make sure the young guys don't get to assume they are getting handed anything.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

if Schlemko is playing then something is wrong, because both Murphy and Gormley should be better.

OEL/Z
Yandle/Stone
Gormley/Murphy

And it should be this for years to come, about time to work on getting some quality forwards in here. Summers & Schlemko can spell for injuries or players needing rest. We don't need McBain or any other Dman that is currently not named above and is on the invite list.

Unless we're going to bring in a heavy who can skate, then why bother. I'm happy letting Gormley and Murphy prove their metal.

 

[rt]

I don't understand why McBain would accept a PTO in AZ unless we were the only team to offer one. Seems like a situation in which he is a really, really long shot to win out in camp.

 

[goyotes]

I don't know why we are offering PTO's to defensemen who don't help us by bringing anything we will miss from DeMo and Rusty when both were productive NHLers.

I also don't see why we don't take a flyer on inviting Ray to camp to see what he has left. We are so short on talent, and hands are the last thing to go with a player.

Looks like we are going to roll three third lines and a fourth. In the end, while I would like to see more talent on this team, I am okay with what ownership is doing so long as they are ensuring that expenses will not rack up to trigger some eventual out clause.

If the budget is calculated to lose $10M a year, however, I will give it another year or so and cancel my season tickets if the writing is on the wall.

All in all, I am disappointed with this current roster. But GMDM and Tip have forgotten more hockey than I have learned, so...maybe they know something I don't.

 

[hbk]

I don't understand why McBain would accept a PTO in AZ unless we were the only team to offer one. Seems like a situation in which he is a really, really long shot to win out in camp.

How do you really judge a player from the roster of a team that was obviously tanking? Possibly a Regeir initiative but given the lack of depth on the right side on our D corps I don't see the downside in this move. It's a try out. Judge accordingly.

 

[rt]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have offered the PTO, I'm saying I'm surprised he accepted it.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think the reason why these guys are getting PTOs is that GMDM wants to send a message to the current roster that, hey, maybe you guys DON'T have a guaranteed spot in the lineup even though we did next to nothing in free agency.

If that's true, then - anything to rid this team of the complacency that set in last season.

 

[hbk]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have offered the PTO, I'm saying I'm surprised he accepted it.

My initial response was "How many puck moving D do we need?"

 

[SniperHF]

Maloney camp bodies. He's been doing this forever. Nothing to see here.

 

[CC96]

My initial response was "How many puck moving D do we need?"

Yeah, this.

 

[strizzy16]

I might have missed this in the last thread, but any updates on Whitney? Chances that we see him playing for us again this year?

 

[Tom Polakis]

I might have missed this in the last thread, but any updates on Whitney? Chances that we see him playing for us again this year?

Here's a story that Craig Morgan wrote about Whitney yesterday. Whether or not he has any game left, you gotta love the guy.

http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/ray-whitney-at-peace-with-idea-of-retirement-091014

 

[ck26]

Good article from Craig Morgan ... this quote is telling:

"I went to Europe [...] I've had success, I've won a Cup, I've been bought out; put on waivers. Aside from playing in the East Coast league, there's nothing I haven't seen or been a part of I this game so I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything aside from being in the locker room hanging out with the guys."

... not somebody I want around if complacency in the locker room is a concern. Whitney might be more talented than a Klinkhammer or a Chipchura, but presumably Rob Klinkhammer is hell-bent in proving he deserves another NHL contract. That version of Ray Whitney sounds like he'd be happy playing Men's A-league at the Ice Den in Scottsdale.

I might have missed this in the last thread, but any updates on Whitney? Chances that we see him playing for us again this year?

Hope not, for the reasons above.

I also don't see why we don't take a flyer on inviting Ray to camp to see what he has left. We are so short on talent, and hands are the last thing to go with a player.

None of the Stars fans in forum=44 shed any tears when Whitney walked this summer, and they've seen more of him the last two years than we have.

If the budget is calculated to lose $10M a year, however, I will give it another year or so and cancel my season tickets if the writing is on the wall.

Kinda OT, but don't do this. I used to live back east, and spent way too much time streaming Stars games online in my apartment alone, and not nearly enough time at the Phillips Arena. I can still watch hockey online, but I can never watch the Thrashers again. If you like the McRib, ****ing gorge yourself for that one month a year when it's around.