Line Combos: 2014-15

[Micklebot]

Far below average 2nd line IMO. 3 guys who all got Mid 30 PTS last season is weak. Zibby/Chaisson are developing but Michalek better notch 20G's and 25A's or demote him to 4th line duties.

Michalek hit 39 in an off year, Zibanejad paced at 40 playing 3rd line mins with limited PP and Chiasson hit 35 as a rookie. Second line wingers typically hit between 30 and 45 pts, pacing a touch higher, centers between 40 and 50.

I think it's a average to below average group unless Zibanejad and/or Chiasson really step up, but the potential is there. There is also the fact that Legwand is available if Zibanejad faulters.

 

[Sensinitis]

Not only that, but I fully believe that if you give Zbad top-six minutes at center and PP time, he will easily crack 50 points. And that's being conservative.

40 Milo 50-60 Zib 40 Chiasson is an average/slightly above average second line. Zbad is just scratching the surface, I'm excited to see what he can do with legit minutes and opportunity. Hopefully coach gives it to him. He's still so young at just 21.

 

[Xspyrit]

Far below average 2nd line IMO. 3 guys who all got Mid 30 PTS last season is weak. Zibby/Chaisson are developing but Michalek better notch 20G's and 25A's or demote him to 4th line duties.

that post made me lol

I have no idea where the basis for this argumentation came from, but probably from a very dark place.

 

[Derivation]

New idea for a line-up...

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson
Legwand-Lazar-Stone
Hoffman-Smith-Pageau
Neil

Not sure why, but I have Condra and Greening out of a job every time...

$2.6 mil for a player to be a healthy scratch? This post came from a very dark place.

 

[HavlatMach9]

well at least xspyrit can be relied upon to provide reasonings as opposed to throwing up stuff

2nd line should be fine to fight for a playoff spot, and can be bolstered easily near the trade deadline with another Hemsky-like trade

 

[bert]

Pretty excited for the training camp. I think there is lots of internal competition for spots which is exactly what you want.

Is Puemple ready to push? Apparently he has come in to camp in great shape, with the injuries he has sustained I think he is a little behind in development. In his interview on the radio he said he has strengthened his legs which for him is where he needs it. He has a goal scoring pedigree and a great shot, was really not expecting much from him before so I find this all pleasantly surprising.

The only spots that I think are set upfront are MacArthur Turris and Ryan in the top 6. The rest of the 9 forward spots should be awarded to who is playing the best.

 

[Cosmix]

Pretty excited for the training camp. I think there is lots of internal competition for spots which is exactly what you want.

Is Puemple ready to push? Apparently he has come in to camp in great shape, with the injuries he has sustained I think he is a little behind in development. In his interview on the radio he said he has strengthened his legs which for him is where he needs it. He has a goal scoring pedigree and a great shot, was really not expecting much from him before so I find this all pleasantly surprising.

The only spots that I think are set upfront are MacArthur Turris and Ryan in the top 6. The rest of the 9 forward spots should be awarded to who is playing the best.

Yes, but some have one-way contracts and others do not, so the budget, contracts and waiver situations will play a big role in determining who stays in Ottawa.

 

[bert]

Yes, but some have one-way contracts and others do not, so the budget, contracts and waiver situations will play a big role in determining who stays in Ottawa.

Well yes of course, I was talking about the tweeners. A few players on this team that if they don't win a spot and lose it to a younger player probably means they are done with this organization.

The Greening's Hoffmans and Condras to be exact.

If Pageau, Lazar, Puemple and Stone are outplaying those three older players than its probably time for the organization to move on one way or another. They are forwards and are well into their mid 20's. You have a pretty good indication of what you're gonna get while the 4 players I mentioned have plenty of room for growth.

Zibanejad, Michalek, Legwand, Chiasson, Smith and Neil will all play in Ottawa this season, its just a matter of where.

 

[BigBush*]

Really hoping Pumpel steals Hoffman's spot, whether it be at the start of the season or midway through it. Pumpel is looking very good

 

[Micklebot]

Really hoping Pumpel steals Hoffman's spot, whether it be at the start of the season or midway through it. Pumpel is looking very good

Why not wait until the main camp and see how they each fair? I think Hoffman has shown he's ready for a chance; I think as a team we lack speed and he could really help out if he puts it all together. I'd love to see Puempel make Greening expendable; he worked his way up from a checking line in the AHL too, so I don't doubt he could do the same here.

 

[CanadianGuest]

Far below average 2nd line IMO. 3 guys who all got Mid 30 PTS last season is weak. Zibby/Chaisson are developing but Michalek better notch 20G's and 25A's or demote him to 4th line duties.

This post is the exact reason I created this poll.

Zibanejad had 0.232 goals per game and 0.478 pints per game as a 20 year old
Michalek had 0.207 goals per game and 0.476 points per game in an off year
Chiasson had 0.165 goals per game and 0.443 points per game as a rookie

None of those are 4th line numbers.

Also;

Legwand had 0.169 goals per game and 0.614 points per game
Stone had 0.211 goals per game and 0.421 points per game

The real 4th liners;

Smith had 0.159 goals per game and 0.268 points per game
Hoffman had 0.120 goals per game and 0.240 points per game
Greening had 0.079 goals per game and 0.224 points per game
Condra had 0.079 goals per game and 0.211 points per game
Neil had 0.105 goals per game and 0.184 points per game

2013-2014 Points per 60 min of 5v5 toi;

2.45 Ryan
2.18 MacArthur
2.17 Turris

1.89 Zibanejad
1.74 Stone
1.66 Legwand
1.63 Michalek
1.46 Chiasson

1.21 Condra
1.06 Smith
0.92 Neil
0.87 Greening
0.83 Grant
0.82 Kassian
0.68 Hoffman
0.52 Pageau

 

[Cosmix]

Well yes of course, I was talking about the tweeners. A few players on this team that if they don't win a spot and lose it to a younger player probably means they are done with this organization.

The Greening's Hoffmans and Condras to be exact.

If Pageau, Lazar, Puemple and Stone are outplaying those three older players than its probably time for the organization to move on one way or another. They are forwards and are well into their mid 20's. You have a pretty good indication of what you're gonna get while the 4 players I mentioned have plenty of room for growth.

Zibanejad, Michalek, Legwand, Chiasson, Smith and Neil will all play in Ottawa this season, its just a matter of where.

Agreed.

 

[Cosmix]

Why not wait until the main camp and see how they each fair? I think Hoffman has shown he's ready for a chance; I think as a team we lack speed and he could really help out if he puts it all together. I'd love to see Puempel make Greening expendable; he worked his way up from a checking line in the AHL too, so I don't doubt he could do the same here.

Yes, wait for the main camp. And yes, we need more speed!

Regarding Greening, i hope he improves his play and starts to play BIG and physical, much harder to play against. If he does that, i would want him on the team. I would like Smith to play BIG too. Condra plays small and lacks offensive scoring/playmaking, so i would rather see another player take his place. I don't recall ever seeing Condra hit any opponent.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Of course, needless to say that our HF proposal rarely happen in the real world. We don't really need the trades you proposed but I was just "playing the game"

I'm not super high on Pageau but IMO he is a clear NHL player. I don't know what you have against him outside size but he is a quality prospect, although I don't see top-6 potential like many others have stated before.

You know, I totally understand, the size factor is very important for the NHL, but a guy like Pageau plays bigger than his size suggests. I see similarities with Gallagher but Pageau is a lesser agitator but more of a defensive specialist. Pageau will find his way with a NHL team on a regular basis. I see him replacing a guy like Condra, for example. The plus is that he is from Gatineau, helps the franchise for marketing reasons.

I have never been that high on Bickel. Obviously, he is a playoff performer (like a Sean Donovan but more productive) but I never made or commented on proposals acquiring him outside of this year, due to Chicago's caps problem. I would not pay the moon to get him. At 4 M$ per, he is still a cap dump

I was on high enough on Grant from the start but didn't see him develop his offensive potential. Will still end up in a serviceable bottom-6 player, not sure with the Sens though

You've been here long enough to know Aragorn's relation to size

 

[Sun God Nika]

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan (20 mins AVG-TOI)
Michalek - Zibanejad - Chiasson(15 Mins AVG-TOI)
Puempel - Legwand - Lazar (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Hoffman - Smith - Stone (10 mins AVG TOI)
Neil( 20 games)
Greening and Condra X, Trade, Waive.

Claesson - Karlsson (30 Mins AVG TOI)
Wiercioch - Ceci (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Cowen - Gryba ( 15 Mins AVG TOI)
Boro - Phillips

Lehner (42 Starts)
Anderson 40 Starts)

- Of course TOI totals will be altered by PP's and primarily PK's..
- 4 rookies in our bottom six, but we are a rebuilding team and the youngest team or top 5 youngest in the league, also 3/6 of them are defensive minded, and 6/6 aren't liabilities.
- Trade Methot for 2015 1st.
-Greening and Condra(Both 28 years old) moving out allows us to be a younger team and grow the core at a similar age. Also who sees us going any where with these two in our line up?

- MoToR is a proven threat
- Line 2, is a average second/above average second line that will provide scoring with a mix of size, speed, and grit.
- 2 rookies playing with a vet these usually work out nicely when tried.
- Hoffman and Stone have chemistry and Smith is a proven scorer when he is given players with hands.

 

[Parliament]

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan (20 mins AVG-TOI)
Michalek - Zibanejad - Chiasson(15 Mins AVG-TOI)
Puempel - Legwand - Lazar (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Hoffman - Smith - Stone (10 mins AVG TOI)
Neil( 20 games)
Greening and Condra X, Trade, Waive.

Claesson - Karlsson (30 Mins AVG TOI)
Wiercioch - Ceci (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Cowen - Gryba ( 15 Mins AVG TOI)
Boro - Phillips

Lehner (42 Starts)
Anderson 40 Starts)

- Of course TOI totals will be altered by PP's and primarily PK's..
- 4 rookies in our bottom six, but we are a rebuilding team and the youngest team or top 5 youngest in the league, also 3/6 of them are defensive minded, and 6/6 aren't liabilities.
- Trade Methot for 2015 1st.
-Greening and Condra(Both 28 years old) moving out allows us to be a younger team and grow the core at a similar age. Also who sees us going any where with these two in our line up?

- MoToR is a proven threat
- Line 2, is a average second/above average second line that will provide scoring with a mix of size, speed, and grit.
- 2 rookies playing with a vet these usually work out nicely when tried.
- Hoffman and Stone have chemistry and Smith is a proven scorer when he is given players with hands.

 

[Sun God Nika]

ya it would likely finish bottom 5 in 2015 which is what we want but it will only get better and better over time.

 

[Six Assets]

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan (20 mins AVG-TOI)
Michalek - Zibanejad - Chiasson(15 Mins AVG-TOI)
Puempel - Legwand - Lazar (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Hoffman - Smith - Stone (10 mins AVG TOI)
Neil( 20 games)
Greening and Condra X, Trade, Waive.

Claesson - Karlsson (30 Mins AVG TOI)
Wiercioch - Ceci (15 Mins AVG TOI)
Cowen - Gryba ( 15 Mins AVG TOI)
Boro - Phillips

Lehner (42 Starts)
Anderson 40 Starts)

- Of course TOI totals will be altered by PP's and primarily PK's..
- 4 rookies in our bottom six, but we are a rebuilding team and the youngest team or top 5 youngest in the league, also 3/6 of them are defensive minded, and 6/6 aren't liabilities.
- Trade Methot for 2015 1st.
-Greening and Condra(Both 28 years old) moving out allows us to be a younger team and grow the core at a similar age. Also who sees us going any where with these two in our line up?

- MoToR is a proven threat
- Line 2, is a average second/above average second line that will provide scoring with a mix of size, speed, and grit.
- 2 rookies playing with a vet these usually work out nicely when tried.
- Hoffman and Stone have chemistry and Smith is a proven scorer when he is given players with hands.

lol

 

[CanadianGuest]

MacArthur Turris Ryan
Michalek Zibanejad Stone
Smith Legwand Chiasson
Greening/Hoffman Lazar Condra/Neil

Cowen Karlsson
Methot Gryba
Phillips Ceci
Wiercioch

Anderson
Lehner

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

MacArthur Turris Ryan
Michalek Zibanejad Stone
Smith Legwand Chiasson
Greening/Hoffman Lazar Condra/Neil

Cowen Karlsson
Methot Gryba
Phillips Ceci
Wiercioch

Anderson
Lehner

Id rather just play Smith at 4C and Lazar on his off-wing with Legwand and Chiasson

 

[Derivation]

Michalek had 0.207 goals per game and 0.476 points per game in an off year
me

Lol the comedy sitcom continues on these boards. Seeing how you love showing off your great statistics to prove your points why don't you try dividing Michalek's elite 4 years in Ottawa (Discounting lock out year where he only played like 20 games) by the amount of points he has had each year. Oh what's that? 41.5? So 39 is an off year for Sniper 9? Just to let you know playing for an offensive titan such as the Sharks will bolster your stats (i.e. Cheechoo), and now Milan has crash landed in Kanata, Ontario.

As I stated in my original post, I had no beef whatsoever with Chaisson or Z-Bad other than they aren't prove 2nd liners at this point in their young careers. And as I also stated, a 20G 25A is a REASONABLE expectation for Marian Hos.. I mean Milan Michalek.

 

[aragorn]

For those putting Legwand on the 3rd line are you aware he had 51 pts last yr? I don't see how Zibanejad is going to be the 2nd line centre on this team when PM has a veteran centerman in Legwand. Legwand was a 1st line centre in Nashville & played both 1st & 2nd line centre in Detroit last yr with their injuries & had 51 pts. While Zibanejad has the potential Legwand has the resume & IMO will start the yr as this team's 2nd line centre. Just saying.

BTW I met Pageau at the Sens-plex a couple of weeks ago, very nice guy & very friendly with the kids who were trying to get autographs. I'm willing to bet he is no taller than 5'6" & not 5'9" as advertised, my nephew is 5'8" & he was taller. Small players make our team vulnerable, easy to intimidate & to push around, they are also easier to knock off the puck & out muscle in the corners & along the boards. Besides I prefer Grant over Pageau although Pageau as I said seems to be a very nice young man.

 

[Sensinitis]

MoToR
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson/Stone
Hoffman-Legwand-Chiasson/Stone
Greening-Smith-Neil

3 question marks: Hoffman, Chiasson and Stone.

Cowen-Karlsson
Wiercioch-Methot
Phillips-Ceci
Borowiecki-Gryba

3 question marks: Cowen, Wiercioch and Ceci.

Anderson/Lehner

No real question marks.

 

[bert]

For those putting Legwand on the 3rd line are you aware he had 51 pts last yr? I don't see how Zibanejad is going to be the 2nd line centre on this team when PM has a veteran centerman in Legwand. Legwand was a 1st line centre in Nashville & played both 1st & 2nd line centre in Detroit last yr with their injuries & had 51 pts. While Zibanejad has the potential Legwand has the resume & IMO will start the yr as this team's 2nd line centre. Just saying.

BTW I met Pageau at the Sens-plex a couple of weeks ago, very nice guy & very friendly with the kids who were trying to get autographs. I'm willing to bet he is no taller than 5'6" & not 5'9" as advertised, my nephew is 5'8" & he was taller. Small players make our team vulnerable, easy to intimidate & to push around, they are also easier to knock off the puck & out muscle in the corners & along the boards. Besides I prefer Grant over Pageau although Pageau as I said seems to be a very nice young man.

Lol I think your bias is really hurting your ability to look at anything objectively.

Pageau is 5'9 they list the players actual height they aren't hiding this stuff... Whats the point? I have skated and played with him and met him multiple times.

The other comment about small players making teams vulnerable is ridiculous. Its how the player plays and competes. Pageau works his bag off and competes for every puck. Pageau is simply a better player than Grant. This team upfront is very large if you haven't checked the roster recently they need speed.

 

[God Says No]

Lol I think your bias is really hurting your ability to look at anything objectively.

Pageau is 5'9 they list the players actual height they aren't hiding this stuff... Whats the point? I have skated and played with him and met him multiple times.

The other comment about small players making teams vulnerable is ridiculous. Its how the player plays and competes. Pageau works his bag off and competes for every puck. Pageau is simply a better player than Grant. This team upfront is very large if you haven't checked the roster recently they need speed.

So true. The short time that JGP has been up with the big club, he's shown he's a "harder" player to play against than Greening has for the most part. Well except maybe for one game last year.

Small players can be hard to play against too. Marchand, Gallagher, etc...