Line Combos: 2014-15

[2XPRO31]

Do you have insider knowledge on Condra or Pageau being traded? Or Condra 13th forward and Pageau in bingo ?

This is stuff that Management/Coaching will discuss after training camp. If Pageau has an amazing camp he isn't going anywhere

 

[Benjamin]

Bickell is garbage? He's been a beast in the playoffs the last two seasons. How is he garbage?

He's crap without Toews.

 

[Cosmix]

MacArthur - Turris - Stone
MIchalek - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hoffman - Legwand Chiasson
Greening - Smith - Condra
Puempel - Pageau - Neil

Cowen - Karlsson
Methot - Ceci
Wiercioch - Gryba
Phillips - Borowiecki

I like this lineup. Lots of youth and surprisingly good depth.

Can't be done due to 23 player roster limit. You need to add the two goaltenders.

Therefore two must be sent elsewhere! I think Pageau and Puempel go to Bingo. Ceci could wind up in Bingo too, unless a D is traded.

 

[BigBush*]

There is a pretty good chance we miss the playoffs so having a 4 million dollar 4th liner who steps up it in the playoffs is a waste.

Ya he's not a fit on Ottawa or worth trading for, but garbage and a 4th liner...

Anyways, enough Bickell talk, back to the Sens

 

[Xspyrit]

I wouldn't be shocked if Stone started in the minors, this team is good with developing players, but when it comes to graduating a young guy, and retiring a vet they are horrible.

Sounds contradicting in my hears

To Chicago: Neil, Hoffman & Pageau
To Ottawa: Bryan Bickle LW

To Buffalo: Greening, Condra & Prince
To Ottawa: Chris Stewart RW

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Legwand - Stewart
Z. Smith - Zibanejad - Stone
Bickle - Grant - Chiasson

Absolute no for the 1st one, and yes for the second.

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Chiasson - Legwand - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Neil

Thank you Greening and Condra (somehow)

 

[WhiteLight*]

Having Neil with Pageau is a good way of killing any chance of success for Pageau. Would you tie a 30 lbs anchor around Pageau's feet while he's on the ice? No. Exaggeration, but I don't see why he should play with Neil, no good will come from it.

The Sens are a ''Rebuilding team'', no? If they're trying to develop players, playing them with Neil is the last thing they should do.

 

[WhiteLight*]

MacAthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hoffman - Legwand - Chiasson
Greening - Smith - Condra
Neil


MacAthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek - Zibanejad - Ryan
Smith - Legwand - Chiasson
Greening - Pageau - Condra
Neil



depending who wins the spot

 

[Micklebot]

Having Neil with Pageau is a good way of killing any chance of success for Pageau. Would you tie a 30 lbs anchor around Pageau's feet while he's on the ice? No. Exaggeration, but I don't see why he should play with Neil, no good will come from it.

The Sens are a ''Rebuilding team'', no? If they're trying to develop players, playing them with Neil is the last thing they should do.

Assuming this is in response to senatereform's lineups, I think his line of Puempel Pageau Neil was just a list of extras for each position, not an actual line. So pageau subing in if a center went down, Neil in for a RW and Puempel for a LW.

But yeah, I agree, no good can come of Pageau with Neil.

 

[God Says No]

MacAthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek - Zibanejad - Ryan
Hoffman - Legwand - Chiasson
Greening - Smith - Condra
Neil


MacAthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek - Zibanejad - Ryan
Smith - Legwand - Chiasson
Greening - Pageau - Condra
Neil



depending who wins the spot

I like those lines but I would prefer the first one just for the sole reason this is Hoffman's last chance. So I would give him as much chance as possible to make this team. JGP has many chances ahead of him.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Assuming this is in response to senatereform's lineups, I think his line of Puempel Pageau Neil was just a list of extras for each position, not an actual line. So pageau subing in if a center went down, Neil in for a RW and Puempel for a LW.

But yeah, I agree, no good can come of Pageau with Neil.

More so Xspyrit

I like those lines but I would prefer the first one just for the sole reason this is Hoffman's last chance. So I would give him as much chance as possible to make this team. JGP has many chances ahead of him.

Absolutely

Hoffman needs to stick this year

 

[Micklebot]

More so Xspyrit

Didn't even notice his line-up, though admittadly I stoped reading once I saw Stewart as I'm not keen on him.

Absolutely

Hoffman needs to stick this year

He's shown lots of promis, but limited results. Hope he puts it together and cracks the squad. His speed and shot could be dangerous; reminds me of early days Raymond and Grabner in that their speed alone created good things.

 

[aragorn]

Sounds contradicting in my hears



Absolute no for the 1st one, and yes for the second.

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Stewart
Chiasson - Legwand - Stone
Smith - Pageau - Neil

Thank you Greening and Condra (somehow)

Obviously, neither trade will happen anytime soon but I think Stewart is still a possibility at some point, if a few of the Ottawa forwards struggle out of the gate. Remember how many people on here wanted Bickle after Chicago won their Stanley Cup a yr or so ago? Funny how quickly people change their opinions of guys, what have you done for me lately I guess? I see you are still hanging on to Pageau, any particular reason? Is it because he is french or because of that one series against Montreal? It will be interested to see what happens between Pageau & Grant this yr & who the coach prefers.

Having Neil with Pageau is a good way of killing any chance of success for Pageau. Would you tie a 30 lbs anchor around Pageau's feet while he's on the ice? No. Exaggeration, but I don't see why he should play with Neil, no good will come from it.

The Sens are a ''Rebuilding team'', no? If they're trying to develop players, playing them with Neil is the last thing they should do.

Well I don't see how Pageau is going to play in the top 6 & IMO he is too small to play on the bottom six when he needs to play with more talented line mates. That's why I don't think he fits in any more on this team.

This is what I think will eventually end up being the lineup, I don't think Hoffman is able to transition to the NHL in Ottawa. I also think they send Ceci to Bingo & try Methot at RD on the 2nd pairing hoping Cowen can play with Karlsson this yr. This allows them to place Phillips in the 3rd pairing where he belongs. I don't think that either Cowen or Wiercioch are trusted enough to play on the right side.

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Legwand - Chiasson - potential to change with Ryan or Stone
Z. Smith - Zibanejad - Stone
Greening - Grant - Neil/Condra

Cowen - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Methot
Phillips - Gryba/Boroweicki

Anderson - Lehner

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

Obviously, neither trade will happen anytime soon but I think Stewart is still a possibility at some point, if a few of the Ottawa forwards struggle out of the gate. Remember how many people on here wanted Bickle after Chicago won their Stanley Cup a yr or so ago? Funny how quickly people change their opinions of guys, what have you done for me lately I guess? I see you are still hanging on to Pageau, any particular reason? Is it because he is french or because of that one series against Montreal? It will be interested to see what happens between Pageau & Grant this yr & who the coach prefers.



Well I don't see how Pageau is going to play in the top 6 & IMO he is too small to play on the bottom six when he needs to play with more talented line mates. That's why I don't think he fits in any more on this team.

This is what I think will eventually end up being the lineup, I don't think Hoffman is able to transition to the NHL in Ottawa. I also think they send Ceci to Bingo & try Methot at RD on the 2nd pairing hoping Cowen can play with Karlsson this yr. This allows them to place Phillips in the 3rd pairing where he belongs. I don't think that either Cowen or Wiercioch are trusted enough to play on the right side.

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Legwand - Chiasson - potential to change with Ryan or Stone
Z. Smith - Zibanejad - Stone
Greening - Grant - Neil/Condra

Cowen - Karlsson
Wiercioch - Methot
Phillips - Gryba/Boroweicki

Anderson - Lehner

Hoffman over Greening.

 

[Xspyrit]

Obviously, neither trade will happen anytime soon but I think Stewart is still a possibility at some point, if a few of the Ottawa forwards struggle out of the gate. Remember how many people on here wanted Bickle after Chicago won their Stanley Cup a yr or so ago? Funny how quickly people change their opinions of guys, what have you done for me lately I guess? I see you are still hanging on to Pageau, any particular reason? Is it because he is french or because of that one series against Montreal? It will be interested to see what happens between Pageau & Grant this yr & who the coach prefers.

Of course, needless to say that our HF proposal rarely happen in the real world. We don't really need the trades you proposed but I was just "playing the game"

I'm not super high on Pageau but IMO he is a clear NHL player. I don't know what you have against him outside size but he is a quality prospect, although I don't see top-6 potential like many others have stated before.

You know, I totally understand, the size factor is very important for the NHL, but a guy like Pageau plays bigger than his size suggests. I see similarities with Gallagher but Pageau is a lesser agitator but more of a defensive specialist. Pageau will find his way with a NHL team on a regular basis. I see him replacing a guy like Condra, for example. The plus is that he is from Gatineau, helps the franchise for marketing reasons.

I have never been that high on Bickel. Obviously, he is a playoff performer (like a Sean Donovan but more productive) but I never made or commented on proposals acquiring him outside of this year, due to Chicago's caps problem. I would not pay the moon to get him. At 4 M$ per, he is still a cap dump

I was on high enough on Grant from the start but didn't see him develop his offensive potential. Will still end up in a serviceable bottom-6 player, not sure with the Sens though

 

[Busboy]

Can't be done due to 23 player roster limit. You need to add the two goaltenders.

Therefore two must be sent elsewhere! I think Pageau and Puempel go to Bingo. Ceci could wind up in Bingo too, unless a D is traded.

Yes I understand all this. Pageau and Puempel will almost definitely start in the AHL this year.

My post was simply demonstrating our depth beyond the NHL roster. I figured that this was a knowledgeable and smart enough crowd to figure that out on their own.

 

[Xspyrit]

New idea for a line-up...

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson
Legwand-Lazar-Stone
Hoffman-Smith-Pageau
Neil

Not sure why, but I have Condra and Greening out of a job every time...

 

[BigRig4]

I couldn't see Legwand being a winger, I feel like Murray brought him in to play the tough match ups down the middle.

 

[aragorn]

New idea for a line-up...

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson
Legwand-Lazar-Stone
Hoffman-Smith-Pageau
Neil

Not sure why, but I have Condra and Greening out of a job every time...

Sorry, but I just don't see Pageau on this team, I don't think there is a chance in hell that PM replaces Neil with Pageau or any other prospect. There is no room for Pageau in the top 6 & IMO he isn't big enough or energetic enough for the bottom 6 & there are more prospects coming this season that could knock him out of a job. But they do love him in Gatineau, no question about that & there is a lot of support around here for him.

PM seems to love that Greening, Smith & Neil line & Legwand will play centre not wing? That is why I also don't see any room for Lazar this yr, my guess is he is returned to junior & maybe he ends up playing in the WJC with Paul & Harpur. If Hoffman cannot make the transition to the NHL I could see Smith take his spot & Grant or Pageau called up to centre the 4th line. Of course, if BM makes a deal as the newspapers are proposing than that could change a few things.

I think this lineup spreads the scoring around more, maybe Neil & Condra share that last spot but somehow I doubt it, more likely Hoffman, Stone & Condra get platooned taking a turn out of the lineup since both Stone & Hoffman are rookies.

MacArthur - Turris - Chiasson - some size & muscle on this line
Michalek - Legwand - Ryan - some much needed secondary scoring
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Stone - the Bingo line also needs to be a scoring line
Greening - Z. Smith - Neil/Condra - the energy line


Cowen - Karlsson - can these two become a dynamic tandem, that is the question?
Wiercioch - Methot - young guy with a mentor
Phillips - Gryba - young guy with a mentor
Boroweicki is the spare defenceman & Ceci is sent to Bingo to play big minutes with Claesson in all situations giving Ottawa two NHL ready defenceman ready to call up.

Anderson - Lehner

 

[Sun God Nika]

Cowen - Karlsson - can these two become a dynamic tandem, that is the question?
Wiercioch - Methot - young guy with a mentor
Phillips - Gryba - young guy with a mentor
Boroweicki is the spare defenceman & Ceci is sent to Bingo to play big minutes with Claesson in all situations giving Ottawa two NHL ready defenceman ready to call up.

Anderson - Lehner

Big fan of those pairings

Cowen - Karlsson can be our Seabrook - Keith, just let them play together and they will build that chemistry we need them too.

Wiercioch already learned his offensive instincts from being mentored by Gonchar, if he can incorporate some of Methots game before he leaves for UFA, Wiercioch with his size, and skill can likely crack the top third of defence men in the league.

I do disagree with the forward pairings

MacArthur - Turris - Chiasson - some size & muscle on this line
Michalek - Legwand - Ryan - some much needed secondary scoring
Hoffman - Zibanejad - Stone - the Bingo line also needs to be a scoring line
Greening - Z. Smith - Neil/Condra - the energy line

Chiasson would be put in a good position to succeed up their but I much prefer Bobby, Stone, or even Zibby for Turris' wing. I also don't think Chiasson and Turris are a good fit.
Having Lazar in the line up and Condra waived to the minors if he is not claimed is essentially the same thing as having Lazar playing in bingo while Condra is up.
Zibanejad will likely be ahead of Legwand on the offensive depth charts if Paul Maclean has any brain cells left.

MacArthur - Turris - Stone , Proven to work, provides needed primary scoring
Michalek - Zibanejad - Ryan two legit wingers, nice and big very hard to shut down.
Hoffman - Legwand - Chiasson Young players get much needed mentoring, and can be used as a third scoring line
Greening - Smith - Neil/Lazar Lazar gets his feet wet, Smith gets a capable winger.

Lazar still gets a lot of games since he will slot in if there are injuries to any of the forward positions.

Condra Waived

 

[BigRig4]

I feel like it's probably in our best interest to keep MTR together if we're planning on impressing Ryan into re-signing.

 

[Sensinitis]

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan --> Legit first line
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson --> Average second line, above average if Zibanejad breaks out
Smith-Legwand-Stone --> Pretty good 3rd line if you ask me
Greening-Pageau-Condra/Neil --> Excellent fourth line

Good depth at forward

Cowen-Karlsson --> Elite first pairing if Cowen rebounds
Wiercioch-Methot --> Solid mid-pairing if Wiercioch rebounds/breaks out
Phillips-Ceci --> Excellent bottom pairing, Ceci will probably climb the depth chart, maybe at the expense of Wiercioch if he impresses

Anderson/Lehner --> Above average goaltending

 

[operasen]

Cowen-Karlsson
Wiercioch-Methot
Gryba-Ceci
Phillips-Borowiecki

One of the things I like is the shift within the pairing as to which side the puck mover is on. Opposing team can't just trap one side of the ice to close off our breakouts.

 

[WhiteLight*]

I like Gryba way too much to leave him out.... Phillips has to be the odd man out, he's so bad


Cowen - Karlsson
Methot/Wiercioch - Gryba
Methot/Wiercioch - Ceci

 

[Derivation]

MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Michalek - Zibanejad - Chiasson
Greening - Legwand - Stone
Condra - Smith - Neil

Pageau
Hoffman

Karlsson - Methot
Cowen - Ceci
Wiercioch - Gryba

Phillips
Borowiecki

Anderson
Lehner

 

[Derivation]

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan --> Legit first line
Michalek-Zibanejad-Chiasson --> Average second line, above average if Zibanejad breaks out
Smith-Legwand-Stone --> Pretty good 3rd line if you ask me
Greening-Pageau-Condra/Neil --> Excellent fourth line

Good depth at forward

Cowen-Karlsson --> Elite first pairing if Cowen rebounds
Wiercioch-Methot --> Solid mid-pairing if Wiercioch rebounds/breaks out
Phillips-Ceci --> Excellent bottom pairing, Ceci will probably climb the depth chart, maybe at the expense of Wiercioch if he impresses

Anderson/Lehner --> Above average goaltending

Far below average 2nd line IMO. 3 guys who all got Mid 30 PTS last season is weak. Zibby/Chaisson are developing but Michalek better notch 20G's and 25A's or demote him to 4th line duties.