Salary Cap: 2014-15 Cap / 2015 the Summer of the RFA D
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Yeah figure out who you want now. Klinger is obvious but will they make the move to lock him up long term after the season is the ?, Oleksiak and Nemeth certainly get resigned as well. Don't know a lot about Joki but if the stars plan on bringing someone new in the future Dillon could be on the outs if he keeps up the way he's playing. According to HF boards a lot of fans from other teams are still high on Dillon. I think he might be the kind of player that you package for a near nhl ready top 6 forward, then sign a real Dman to take his place, especially if he was asking for more money than he deserves! Of course, maybe the cheap 1 year deal he got last year was just putting him on layaway for when we have money after this season.
I'm anxious to see what Nil gets Spezza signed for (assuming he does) because that will tell us exactly how good of hands we are in. He did well getting us Spezza and the Seguin trade will go down as legendary, but we haven't seen how he lands a big time ufa yet, so I'm curious to see the years and term to get a feel for the future.
I'm anxious to see what Nil gets Spezza signed for (assuming he does) because that will tell us exactly how good of hands we are in. He did well getting us Spezza and the Seguin trade will go down as legendary, but we haven't seen how he lands a big time ufa yet, so I'm curious to see the years and term to get a feel for the future.
The ufa this year is pretty shallow though. There aren't many, if not any big time ufa guys that are in the market.
There are guys like Green and Staal, but they probably will be dealt before taking a free walk.
A secondary scoring upgrade is more realistic. I would love to see Dubinsky or Vermette on this team. Especially Vermette, because he has that scoring touch (50~60pts) and speed. Even if he is slumping offensively, he is versatile enough to play on any lines/positions (other than D of course lol), and is a PK specialist.
He's also pretty good on 1-on-1 situations (speed is a huge factor) and face-offs (I could be wrong on this one).
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Vermette is a guy I really, really like, (60 points isn't happening. More of a 45-50 pt faceoff/PK ace) but with the shallow UFA pool, he is going to get vastly overpaid by a team this offseason, and I hope it isn't us.
As for Dubinsky, he signed a long term deal with Columbus this offseason.
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Very weak ufa class, it's basically Spezza or vermette or average players going to be overpaid... The following year is set to have some really good ufas but how many of them actually make it that far is another story.... I know we have all this money for next year but I'm not seeing a good place to spend it unless you can bring in some one year band aides. Or maybe take on a teams cap dump that expires next year if it can land a good player for less assets in the process.
Spezza is on pace for 80-90 points. Forget 5,5 in todays market. Dave Bolland makes 5M... Spezza is going to be 7 and up especially with the cap going up every year.
That's very manageable since he only took 4 years. Way better than 6.5M for 6-7 years.
I never said anything about it going down, did I? But there's speculation already that it won't be going up next season.
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Bolland's doesn't pay him until he's almost 40.
I wasn't suggesting an unfair contract. My guess was top end he was worth $7 million a year .. he'd get that for about 3 years and then a slightly reduced 4th year.
That guess was $27 million in the first 4 years. He got $30 million. The final 3 years were at age 36, 37, and 38, which is what LA used to bring down the Gaborik hit. I'm not disappointed Dallas and Spezza chose to go with a shorter term, I just thought they might go longer.
At the end of the day, I was off by $3 million in that guess over those 4 years which isn't bad.
I was hoping his age would keep him down closer to Stastny's top end value of $7, but clearly he deserves a bit more money. Just thought there was the slightest chance Dallas could get him down about $500K a year on average.
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Now that the big fish for Dallas is done .... we get to talk about that D!!!
Klingberg's will be tough to figure out. Nemeth's injury complicates his as well. How much will Oleksiak and Jokipakka eventually play this year.
Lots of questions on D. Personally .... and I hate doing this usually .. but my initial gut reaction to watching Klingberg is to pay big right freaking now ... no bridge. He's potentially Jamie Benn 2.0. If you wait 2 years on a bridge ... you could be talking SIGNIFICANT money.
Gardiner got just over $4 from the Leafs ... something like that might make sense. Nill is pretty conservative though.
Klingberg's will be tough to figure out. Nemeth's injury complicates his as well. How much will Oleksiak and Jokipakka eventually play this year.
Lots of questions on D. Personally .... and I hate doing this usually .. but my initial gut reaction to watching Klingberg is to pay big right freaking now ... no bridge. He's potentially Jamie Benn 2.0. If you wait 2 years on a bridge ... you could be talking SIGNIFICANT money.
Gardiner got just over $4 from the Leafs ... something like that might make sense. Nill is pretty conservative though.
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Well ... have you ever seen the Canadian dollar take a turn for the worst ... cuz you are right now.
The players have refused to use the escalator as well recently. They're forcing the owners to be financially responsible.
The only reason people are saying the cap can stay flat this summer is the Rogers contract. If not for that there would have been concern with the cap going down.
It's being reported on by multiple outlets so yes ...the cap staying flat or going down is not some fantasy.
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Gardiner had played 3 seasons in the NHL and put up 30 points a year.
He was very deserving of his contract.
Klingberg has 6 games in the NHL and you compare him to Gardiner? A guy who played college, played 3 years on his ELC, scored 30 points a year and then made bank?
I'd compare him to Krug and maybe offer a 2 year 3 million dollar contract unless he literally scores more than Erik Karlsson this year. Then we go straight to the Fed and give him all of Dallas.
Oleksiak, Nemeth and Jokipakka... will probably get decent bridges depending on their play. Nemeth is pretty much guaranteed a bridge. I feel really bad for the guy.
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Like I said ... I know that's jumping the gun significantly, but the hypothetical offer is contingent on his play for 60 games. What are we supposed to do but try and guess where he'll be?
In that situation, I think it's worth a discussion, one I doubt Nill entertains. The problem is we're not talking about Krug even being comparable. He was a 3rd pair PP specialists.
For the sake of talking contract ... Klingberg is on pace to potentially lead the Stars in average ice time or be in the Top 2/3 minimum. That should escalate his value pretty significantly.
Nill's stick isn't as big this year to negotiate with. It's looking rather obvious that 4 of his Top 7 D are RFA, and he won't have 4 NHL ready D behind 1 RFA next year. He'll have 4 RFA's with pretty much no NHL ready D unless you make a pretty decent stretch and say Honka or Lindell.
I think he could have a harder time playing hard ball. Not at forward though. Klingberg is for sure looking like a guy that will challenge him. You aren't talking Top 4 minutes .. you look like you're talking top pair, and he'll hit some dry spots, but the points aren't looking bad.
People gave me a hard time for *****ing about T.J. Barrie's awful contract. He was playing mostly 3rd pair minutes with the exception for about 40 years the season before. He had only 109 games played (including playoffs). Klingberg potentially is going to get to around 70. Maybe even the playoffs.
That guy is making $2.6 million. It's not a stretch to say one year of Klingberg on his current path is worth more than that. It'd be pretty reasonable if not much changes, and we're all hoping it doesn't.
It's a legitimate question to ask do you want pay this guy close to $3 right now for only 2 years and then who knows ... closer to $5 maybe or $6 depending on where he goes from here just two short years later? OR if you have the option, do gamble on going a bit higher for less evidence?
To me I always felt the bridge was better, and this is stupid admittedly, but something seems different about that guy. It's 6 games and that's why we're stuck talking hypothetical ... but he doesn't look you're average D. He's for sure past any expectation I thought I had of him in his first season.
In 20 more games .. it'll be interesting to re-visit the discussion though. Obviously now we have no clue where he goes ... flat, gets better, regresses. It'll be fun to watch.
I was just suggesting there's maybe not a ridiculous path that could lead to a longer contract.
In that situation, I think it's worth a discussion, one I doubt Nill entertains. The problem is we're not talking about Krug even being comparable. He was a 3rd pair PP specialists.
For the sake of talking contract ... Klingberg is on pace to potentially lead the Stars in average ice time or be in the Top 2/3 minimum. That should escalate his value pretty significantly.
Nill's stick isn't as big this year to negotiate with. It's looking rather obvious that 4 of his Top 7 D are RFA, and he won't have 4 NHL ready D behind 1 RFA next year. He'll have 4 RFA's with pretty much no NHL ready D unless you make a pretty decent stretch and say Honka or Lindell.
I think he could have a harder time playing hard ball. Not at forward though. Klingberg is for sure looking like a guy that will challenge him. You aren't talking Top 4 minutes .. you look like you're talking top pair, and he'll hit some dry spots, but the points aren't looking bad.
People gave me a hard time for *****ing about T.J. Barrie's awful contract. He was playing mostly 3rd pair minutes with the exception for about 40 years the season before. He had only 109 games played (including playoffs). Klingberg potentially is going to get to around 70. Maybe even the playoffs.
That guy is making $2.6 million. It's not a stretch to say one year of Klingberg on his current path is worth more than that. It'd be pretty reasonable if not much changes, and we're all hoping it doesn't.
It's a legitimate question to ask do you want pay this guy close to $3 right now for only 2 years and then who knows ... closer to $5 maybe or $6 depending on where he goes from here just two short years later? OR if you have the option, do gamble on going a bit higher for less evidence?
To me I always felt the bridge was better, and this is stupid admittedly, but something seems different about that guy. It's 6 games and that's why we're stuck talking hypothetical ... but he doesn't look you're average D. He's for sure past any expectation I thought I had of him in his first season.
In 20 more games .. it'll be interesting to re-visit the discussion though. Obviously now we have no clue where he goes ... flat, gets better, regresses. It'll be fun to watch.
I was just suggesting there's maybe not a ridiculous path that could lead to a longer contract.
This! You could save a lot of money signing him up long term now. Sure, you overpay significantly for the next 2 years (when you have the money to do so) but you get a bargain deal for the next 4 years. Assuming he keeps up his level of play, I think you'd be crazy not to lock him up!
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I'd rather they go the 2 year bridge deal, even if they have to over pay slightly in order to give him a max 8 year deal after. That way they buy out UFA years. If you give him the big deal now, he's a UFA after and you may not get a chance at a 3rd contract if he wants to leave for whatever reason.
Might be the right way to go. I forgot about the compensation if another team signs him from under us as a rfa. 8 years from now sounds pretty good to me also for a much lower price. Allow him a big pay day here or somewhere else when he is 30 31.
I guess it just depends on what you project him to make as an ufa, and what you could get him signed longterm now for?
A bridge deal would also give us a chance to learn his durability as well which could be a factor in deciding as well.
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