NFL: 2011 Draft Review

GKJ

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I've got so many competing thoughts about this. I'm not sure if Ingram would be a better player anywhere else, but he definitely could be worse. He's in a fantastic situation, and though the price was steep, the Saints' window was still open. If you look at it simply as a late 1 and 2 for Ingram, that's not so bad, even for a HB on a passing team. The Saints are probably in for some rough years after Brees retires (and let's be honest -- Ingram isn't going to do much of anything without him), so losing that extra would-be middle-aged player won't really make much of a difference in the long term.

it worked out in the sense that they just would have lost that 1st round pick the following year anyways.
 

Phileeguy

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Round 1, 23rd Overall: Danny Watkins, G (Baylor): - Was largely considered a reach/questionable pick due to him being older (26 at the time of the draft), and spent just 1 year at Baylor after transferring from Butte where he was studying fire sciences to become a firefighter. Started his first year and wasn't good. Was a backup his second year and was cut afterwards and then went to Miami in 2013.

Hasn't been in the league since 2013. Hear he's a firefighter now, so kudos to him. But in the NFL regard he was a baaaad pick.

Round 2, 54th Overall: Jaiquawn Jarrett, DB (Temple) - A safety that was a backup his first year, and let go after his second. Spend 3 subsequent years with the Jets, largely as a backup.

Round 3, 90th Overall: Curtis Marsh, DB (Utah St.) - Career backup. Most recently with the Broncos. Might've gotten a ring without stepping on the field all season.

Round 4, 116th Overall: Casey Matthews, LB (Oregon) - The wrong Matthews brother. Signed with Vikings in 2015 and put on IR.

Round 4, 120th Overall: Alex Henery, K (Nebraska) - Got 3 decent years out of him. Was let go after 2013 as Chip was worried about his leg strength. Turned out to be one of the correct things Chip did as he was signed by Detroit the next year and struggled, and was subsequently cut.

Round 5, 149th Overall: Dion Lewis, RB (Pittsburgh) - Spent 2 years as a backup to Shady, and then was traded to Cleveland for Emmanuel Acho. Injury bug bit him when he got there, as he broke his fibula, and then bounced around to the Pats last year and tore his ACL.

Round 5, 161st Overall: Julian Vandervelde, G (Iowa) - Career backup. Now currently a free agent.

Round 6, 191st Overall: Jason Kelce, C (Cincinnati) - Finally, a hit in this draft. Has been a solid starter since being drafted and has made a Pro Bowl. Had a down year last year, but that was partly due to Chip Kelly sandwiching Kelce between two jamokes of guards.

Round 6, 193rd Overall: Brian Rolle, LB (OSU) - Had a decent rookie season, but had a sophomore slump so bad he was cut after a handful of games. Last seen with the Argonauts.

Round 7, 237th Overall: Greg Lloyd, LB (UConn) - Squadoosh.

Round 7, 240th Overall: Stanley Havili, RB (USC) - Career backup, last seen in 2014 with the Seahawks.

Overall a pretty poor draft. Kelce was the diamond-in-the-rough in the 6th round, and the next most productive player selected was a kicker that's no longer in the league. Of the 11 picks only 1 still contributes to the Eagles, with the possibility of 2, if Roseman re-signs Vandevelde as a backup for the hundredth time.
 

Roboturner913

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I've got so many competing thoughts about this. I'm not sure if Ingram would be a better player anywhere else, but he definitely could be worse. He's in a fantastic situation, and though the price was steep, the Saints' window is/was still open. If you look at it simply as a late 1 and 2 for Ingram, that's not so bad, even for a HB on a passing team. The Saints are probably in for some rough years after Brees retires (and let's be honest -- Ingram isn't going to do much of anything without him), so losing that extra would-be middle-aged player won't really make much of a difference in the long term.

Ingram would've been much better off had he originally gone to a team that gave him volume carries and a run heavy scheme. Put him in Houston at the time and he's probably churning out 1200 yard seasons from the start. In New Orleans he had to figure out how to block to even get on the field, much less picking up on ZBS concepts.

They gave up too much to get him, but he's a damn good back.It just took him a few years to become a good pro. as for Brees I don't see how his effectiveness is any way dependent on a QB. The other game he ever played without Brees was last year against the Panthers, 99 total yards and a TD which is generally in line with his per game performance the last 2-3 seasons.
 

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2012 draft-everyone failed :laugh:

Beg to differ, sir.

1/25 - James Carpenter: was a weird pick (reach) when it happened, looked more justified as he came along. Too bad he really came into his own after he left for the Jets to sign a big deal.

3/75 - John Moffit: the opposite of Carpenter. A strong, safe OG who tailed off rapidly after the super bowl win--and early in his career too. He gone.

4/99 - KJ Wright: he's ****ing awesome. Does it all. Signed long-term and we love him.
4/107 - Kris Durham: WR who didn't last long here, but has bounced around.

5/154 - Richard Sherman: nuff said.
5/156 Mark Legree: Safety, not even sure he ever made a team.

6/173 - Byron Maxwell: terrific complimentary CB in our system. Got paid hugely by the Eagles when his FA came up. A great pick, not SEA's fault he left! heh

7/205 - Lazarius Levingston: no idea.
7/242 - Malcom Smith: A fine utilty Will and special teamer, MVP of SB48. Quickly bolted for the highest bidder.

So, six guys who really helped win a SB and 2-3 who went nowhere.
 
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