2010 Hart voting

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Looking at how much more Crosby stood out for his team that year, it is surprising he didn't win the Hart especially when the Sedins obviously benefit from each other like no other linemates in the league.

Crosby - 109 points
Malkin - 77
Gonchar - 50

H. Sedin - 112 points
D. Sedin - 85
Kesler - 75
Three more above 50 points

OV - 109 points
Backstrom - 101
Semin - 84
Four more above 50 points

That OV got more votes over Crosby seemed to be recognition of his missed games but then you can argue that Crosby should have been the comfortable winner in 2013.

I think if the Pens weren't 2 time SCF participants and the Cup favourites for that year he would have won it.
 

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Ovechkin should won the Hart, but i have no problem with H. Sedin. He had a great season.
 
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Ovechkin should won the Hart, but i have no problem with H. Sedin. He had a great season.

No issue with the fact that OV had similar goal totals and points in less games but Crosby was easily more "valuable" that year quite easily based on traditional Hart voting.

I think team situations played a big part in the voting.
 
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I'd have taken several players winning it over Sedin. Crosby would have been fine. Miller would have been fine. Ovechkin was a hard sell as the most valuable player but I would have been fine with him winning as he was the best player that season.
 

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I'm of the opinion that Keith should have swept everything that year (and I'm far from a Blackhawks fan) -- Norris, Hart, Olympic MVP, Conn Smythe. He was incredible whenever he was on the ice, and he was usually on the ice for 30 minutes a game.
 
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I'm of the opinion that Keith should have swept everything that year (and I'm far from a Blackhawks fan) -- Norris, Hart, Olympic MVP, Conn Smythe. He was incredible whenever he was on the ice, and he was usually on the ice for 30 minutes a game.

He was on the ice for 30 minutes just 8 times in 82 games. His median was 26:25. He was also on the ice for 81 even-strength GA, compared to Lidstrom’s 57, Pronger’s 50, and Chara’s 50. I guess I just don’t see a compelling argument for him for the Hart.
 

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Looking at how much more Crosby stood out for his team that year, it is surprising he didn't win the Hart especially when the Sedins obviously benefit from each other like no other linemates in the league.

Crosby - 109 points
Malkin - 77
Gonchar - 50

H. Sedin - 112 points
D. Sedin - 85
Kesler - 75
Three more above 50 points

OV - 109 points
Backstrom - 101
Semin - 84
Four more above 50 points

That OV got more votes over Crosby seemed to be recognition of his missed games but then you can argue that Crosby should have been the comfortable winner in 2013.

I think if the Pens weren't 2 time SCF participants and the Cup favourites for that year he would have won it.

I think the narrative of "low support = better odds at hart" has really picked up more steam in the past few years alone. I think in 2010, it was more about Sedin = best player so he wins the hart.

Now, as to whether Sedin was the best player or not is a bit debatable, as Crosby and Ovi were close - but he certainly has a case too, with an excellent season.

I wish the Hart trophy was still decided this way. I don't think Hall should have won it 2 years ago for example - he simply wasn't close enough to the best player that year.
 

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I think the narrative of "low support = better odds at hart" has really picked up more steam in the past few years alone. I think in 2010, it was more about Sedin = best player so he wins the hart.

Now, as to whether Sedin was the best player or not is a bit debatable, as Crosby and Ovi were close - but he certainly has a case too, with an excellent season.

I wish the Hart trophy was still decided this way. I don't think Hall should have won it 2 years ago for example - he simply wasn't close enough to the best player that year.
the Hart is very messy.

I wouldnt mind seeing an HoH retroactive ‘actual Best Player’ award, including runners up.
 
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A mix of Crosby/Ovechkin fatigue mixed in with the nice story of Henrik Sedin proving himself when Daniel was injured.
Ovi also missed time due to suspensions, if I recall - which is probably going to weaken the case of "this guy should win but for missed games" as a narrative.
 

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I think the narrative of "low support = better odds at hart" has really picked up more steam in the past few years alone. I think in 2010, it was more about Sedin = best player so he wins the hart.

Now, as to whether Sedin was the best player or not is a bit debatable, as Crosby and Ovi were close - but he certainly has a case too, with an excellent season.

I wish the Hart trophy was still decided this way. I don't think Hall should have won it 2 years ago for example - he simply wasn't close enough to the best player that year.
This was also before Crosby was anything approaching a two-way player. If I recall Sedin was on the Canucks PK and fairly good defensively, as well as an insane playmaker. I don't think this is an egregious award or anything like that.
 

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This was also before Crosby was anything approaching a two-way player. If I recall Sedin was on the Canucks PK and fairly good defensively, as well as an insane playmaker. I don't think this is an egregious award or anything like that.

I didn't think this was true, so I went in fact checked it and you are right. Henrik only had five seasons where he had over 20 PGA, but this was the only year that he had over 30, and it was 35. Still, considering goals vs assist and his linemate situation, there is no way I would have given him the hart over Ovechkin or Crosby. Good season though.
 
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This was also before Crosby was anything approaching a two-way player. If I recall Sedin was on the Canucks PK and fairly good defensively, as well as an insane playmaker. I don't think this is an egregious award or anything like that.

I just think that if you fast forward Sedin and Crosby's seasons to 2019 and remove Kuch and others from the picture, the narrative would be a lot more "Sedin has Sedin helping him, Crosby has almost no help, he's more valuable!" and it would gain a lot more traction than it did in 2010. I don't like this argument myself - Sedin had a great season and deserved the win.
 

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This was also before Crosby was anything approaching a two-way player. If I recall Sedin was on the Canucks PK and fairly good defensively, as well as an insane playmaker. I don't think this is an egregious award or anything like that.

it's not like henrik never killed any penalties, but he certainly wasn't one of the team's primary penalty killing forwards. first was the burrows/kesler pair, which is one of the top pairs of all time. kesler should have won that year's selke, btw, though he didn't deserve the one he got the next year. after them they had pk specialist ryan johnson, speedy mason raymond, and an emerging soon to be better version of raymond in jannik hansen. henrik was one of the guys who would rotate in on the third pair. for context, other guys who slotted in were steve bernier and tanner glass.

as i recall, henrik was really just there to take defensive zone faceoffs when johnson and kesler couldn't be out there, which was necessary because the third line center that year was kyle wellwood, who is the last person you'd want out there killing penalties. when alex bolduc was in the lineup, he took that role. daniel didn't kill penalties at all.
 

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Oh, Daver....

anyways, Henrik proved everyone wrong by staying productive without Daniel.

Ovechkin was the best player that year. Could have been a monster season.

His PPG that year without was 1.00, his PPG with was 1.40.

No issue with OV but Crosby should have won in 2013 then.
 

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I really didn't like Crosby at all circa 2010, but at the time, I did think he got robbed. He wasn't a defensive ace back then, but he still had significantly more responsibilities than Ovechkin or Sedin. In addition to having more goals and less help than Sedin.

If Ovechkin didn't get his dumb ass suspended, he would have won it going away, regardless.
 

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I didn't think this was true, so I went in fact checked it and you are right. Henrik only had five seasons where he had over 20 PGA, but this was the only year that he had over 30, and it was 35. Still, considering goals vs assist and his linemate situation, there is no way I would have given him the hart over Ovechkin or Crosby. Good season though.

What was his linemate situation? Pretty good season for him. I wouldve given Ovie, Miller or Bryzgalov the hart but I dont consider anyone robbed of it.
 

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His PPG that year without was 1.00, his PPG with was 1.40.

No issue with OV but Crosby should have won in 2013 then.

i didnt agree with 2013, either.

Ovie shouldnt have thrown that knee on knee. That was another Hart, Art and Rocket. I thought it was maybe his best season, actually. He was rabid.
 
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What was his linemate situation? Pretty good season for him. I wouldve given Ovie, Miller or Bryzgalov the hart but I dont consider anyone robbed of it.

Specifically, I'm referring to the situation wherein he had an equally talented player on his left wing, while Ovechkin and Crosby had no such player (Backstrom has had more staying power than most of us probably would have predicted in 2009, and has outscored OV a few times in recent years, but the general sense at that time - which was true in 2010 - was that OV was a far superior player. )
 

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No issue with the fact that OV had similar goal totals and points in less games but Crosby was easily more "valuable" that year quite easily based on traditional Hart voting.

I think team situations played a big part in the voting.

I think H. Sedin had a great game against Pittsburgh that season where the Penguins were humiliated and where Crosby was more or less invisible. Especially one sequence is memorable where H. Sedin held the puck behind the net for a (relatively) prolonged time in vintage Gretzky style and then dished the puck cross crease to an incoming Willie Mitchell who scored a (relatively) pretty goal on the backhand (on Pittsburgh's back-up goalie because the game was already out of reach, I think, although A. Vigneault claimed to be allergic against running up the score).

Later in the game Malkin took out his frustration and boarded Mitchell (who never again played for the Canucks) pretty ugly.

My point here is that the Hart Trophy is a narrative based trophy (although I guess you can say that about all trophies that aren't based on stats, like the Jennings and the Ross). H. Sedin carried his team offensively when Daniel was out and even took up goal scoring, scoring 10 goals in 18 games (45–46 goal pace), including a hat-trick (I think his only hat-trick ever in the NHL, with Daniel non-present). One of those goals (in a game against the Colorado Avalanche) was executed on a sublime but distinct slap pass by no other than PP quarterback maestro Alexander Edler.

He also humiliated fellow Hart candidate (?) Ryan Miller on a breakaway in a game against Buffalo that season (H. Sedin did, not Alex Edler).
 
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okay mega post for some important context for the 2010 season and hart trophy race—

yes, henrik's scoring when daniel was out helped, especially him almost tripling his usual goal scoring rate. in those 18 games without daniel, henrik actually only scored 18 points. for reference, that would have put him on pace for 15th in the league, in the ballpark of marleau, heatley, parise, and kopitar. but he scored 10 goals, 1/3 of his season total and on pace for 46 goals. in his other two peak seasons, henrik scored 19 and 22 goals, so i'd say that hovering around 20 is his normal ceiling. from the lockout to 2009, four straight years where he and daniel averaged basically a point/game, henrik averaged 16 goals a season.

but i digress. yes producing without daniel helped. henrik was in the top ten in goals by the time daniel returned to the lineup, higher than he even was in points. but how he really won the hart trophy was the last week of the season.

here's a rundown—

10/7/09: four games into the season, henrik and daniel combine for seven points and chase carey price in a 7-1 win. daniel breaks his foot early in the second period but finishes the game, getting two more assists before the game was over (henrik had three more points, two goals and an assist). as of daniel's last game in the lineup, henrik is tied for 4th in league scoring, behind only capitals (ovechkin, backstrom, and semin). but it's only four games in, this doesn't mean anything.

11/21/09: the day before daniel comes back into the lineup. henrik is 13th in scoring, one point behind ovechkin, who has missed six games with an upper body injury (25 points in 17 games, vs henrik's 24 in 22). crosby is 22nd, with 22 points in 23 games. scoring leaders are kopitar, followed by thornton, followed by heatley and gaborik tied for third. points/game leaders are kovalchuk, followed by ovechkin, followed by gaborik. it's still early, of course.

12/31/09: henrik is second in the scoring race, two points behind thornton in the same number of games.

gamesgoalsassistspointsp/g
1thornton411144551.35
2henrik411934531.35
3gaborik382625511.30
4ovechkin322624501.47
5crosby402325481.14
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ovechkin was first in points/game, henrik was 4th, crosby was 8th. ovechkin had his two game suspension at the beginning of december.

1/05/10: henrik catches thornton for first. as far as i know, this is the first time a sedin has been at the top of the scoring race.

gamesgoalsassistspointsp/g
1henrik432038581.34
1thornton431147581.29
3gaborik402725521.34
4ovechkin342624501.56
5crosby432425491.20
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

at this point, henrik is also 2nd in points/game (tied with thornton, obviously).

1/31/10: from the day daniel came back to the end of january, the sedins had the mother of hot streaks. henrik led the league with 54 points, ovechkin was second with 51 (2 fewer games), daniel in third with 47, crosby directly behind him with 46... and burrows tied with malkin and thornton for 12th with 36 (in one fewer game than malkin, two more games than thornton). over that two months and change, henrik is one one-hundredth of a point behind ovechkin for first in points/game.

this is what it looks like by the end of the month:

gamesgoalsassistspointsp/g
1henrik542553781.44
2ovechkin473541761.62
3crosby553434681.24
3thornton551355681.24
5gaborik543332651.20
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2/28/10: the sedins have a very quiet february and henrik lets ovechkin overtake the scoring race. henrik scores 2 points in the entire month. basically, they go quiet in the two weeks before the olympic break.

here's the leader board at the end of month, right before the season starts up again:

gamesgoalsassistspointsp/g
1ovechkin544247891.44
2henrik612555801.62
3crosby614236781.24
3backstrom622650761.24
5thornton621659751.20
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

3/31/10: henrik picks it back up again and regains the scoring lead from ovechkin. i still don't know that anybody really believed he could win it at this point though. end of march:

gamesgoalsassistspointsp/g
1henrik7629751041.37
2ovechkin6646551011.53
3crosby764747941.24
3backstrom762962911.20
5st. louis772763901.17
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

so this is the moment crosby pulls a mcdavid and says to himself, hey i have a scoring race to win. so here are their last weeks, with their running season point total on the far right column.

dategameageoppgap
772010-04-037722-239PITATLW03397
782010-04-067822-242PITWSHL123100
792010-04-087922-244PITNYIW134104
802010-04-108022-246PIT@ATLL000104
812010-04-118122-247PIT@NYIW235109
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

672010-04-016724-196WSHATLW011102
682010-04-036824-198WSH@CBJW000102
692010-04-056924-200WSHBOSW022104
702010-04-067024-201WSH@PITW202106
712010-04-097124-204WSHATLW213109
722010-04-117224-206WSHBOSL-SO000109
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

772010-04-017729-187VAN@LAKL011105
782010-04-027829-188VAN@ANAW000105
792010-04-047929-190VANMINW011106
802010-04-068029-192VANCOLL-SO011107
812010-04-088129-194VAN@SJSL011108
822010-04-108229-196VANCGYW044112
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

4/01/10: ovechkin gets an assist, but henrik matches that to keep his three point lead.

4/03/10: crosby scores three points to pull him to within less than ten. ovechkin and henrik both go scoreless.

4/06/10: then crosby puts up another three, ovechkin scores four in back-to-backs, and in two games henrik has just an assist in each. not looking good. henrik hanging on to a one point lead over ovechkin, seven points on crosby. as i recall, we still weren't worried about crosby yet, but ovechkin is looking like a good bet to take it back.

4/08/10: washington has three days between games, but crosby puts up four points. i guess he really wants this. henrik just gets one. really not looking good. henrik at 108 with one game left. ovechkin still at 106 with two games left. and now crosby at 104, also with two games left. well, it was nice while it lasted.

4/09/10: ovechkin plays his second last game and scores three points to pull ahead again. no games for crosby or henrik, but yeah i don't think i expected henrik to win anymore.

4/10/10: so this is where henrik won the hart trophy. crosby is scoreless while henrik goes off for four assists.

i mean, this was an incredible game. sedins each put up two points in the first, but go scoreless in the second.

then daniel gets two quick ones early in the third, including the goal of the year. the hats come down. both are assisted by henrik of course. not incidentally, he also tops pavel bure's franchise scoring record with the first assist.

then, with kipper pulled, they start really pressing for the rest of the game. daniel ends up with almost 23 minutes, henrik plays his season high, 25'24". at the end of the game, bieksa accidentally scores with henrik in front of the net. after the game, he apologizes in the interview and says he was trying to shoot for a rebound there. hilarious.



it's kind of touching that daniel had the second best game of his life (after game six against chicago the year before) to win his brother the scoring title. watch that first goal, where he catches the tiger-esque saucer then blows by freakin' bouwmeester to roof it on kiprusoff.

three more notes:

1. anyone who says the sedins benefited from offensive zone starts and couldn't score off the rush, well watch those highlights. vigneault lost his mind the next season and bumped the sedins from normal zone starts to what you all remember, which actually weakened their effectiveness and forced them to absorb so much more punishment, but the sedins with burrows in that magical 2010 season were unstoppable on the rush. henrik owned the neutral zone.

2. even in vancouver people forget but what a game by rick rypien too. he played some games in the playoffs and tuned up rich clune, but after that that was it for him. RIP

3. note the nice symmetry between henrik putting up four points and chasing price the game where daniel gets injured, setting up his goal run that establishes him as a credible threat, and them chasing kiprusoff in the last game to extend henrik's art ross lead to four.

4/11/10: ovechkin needs four points to take the art ross, and we're all worried af that he will, but he goes scoreless. as i recall, that was an early game. later in the day, crosby hangs five on roloson before the second period is up, taking the rocket from ovechkin. i admit, i honestly thought there was a chance crosby would go 8+ and gun for sittler's record while taking art ross with it. he would win on the tiebreaker if it came to that. but crosby goes scoreless in the third, the islanders tie it up, pittsburgh wins but crosby doesn't factor on the OT goal, not that it would have mattered anyway.

you had to remember the drama of the end of that season, especially ovechkin, henrik, and crosby going off for three, then four, then five points in consecutive days, to really understand why henrik won that hart. it's the mirror image of naslund losing the art ross to forsberg on the last day of the 2003 season.

EDIT: tiny math error
 
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